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I'm Richard. Share with a little bit of laryngitis. And tonight on square off, the very highly publicized battle of the ministers. And these guys are going to help me out tonight so I don't have to do a lot of the talking. We're going to begin by asking you whether you feel Jimmy Swaggart belongs back in the pulpit. The Reverend Peter Waldron.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=95.62,115.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The word of God requires that he preach the gospel. He belongs in the pulpit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=115.96,119.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The Reverend Lester, solving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=119.41,120.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The word of God certainly distinguishes the difference between forgiveness and condemnation. How about having Gary Hart as the president of a girls school, the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=121.48,131.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend Saint George Cross?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=131.26,132.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e He should be in the pulpit. He has repented. It's time for restoration. And the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=132.82,137.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend Marcia Jordan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=137.5,138.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e If he is an anointed man of God, he definitely should be in the pulpit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=139.21,141.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll talk about Jimmy Swaggart and other subjects in the news tonight, The squirrel battle of the miniseries. Good evening, everybody. On the chair. It is Saturday night. It is 730 and fair. Well, this is a lot of stuff running around the building here. We are delighted to have our battle of the ministers. We'd like to welcome one of our newest panelists. He is the Reverend Buster Jordan. He is the pastor of the Saint James United Methodist Church. And we are delighted to have you with us tonight. I want to begin, if I can, by thanking a gentleman for a letter, Eric Allen of Owings Mills, who heard you were coming back on less. He said to write, You.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=142.18,188.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Come back laughing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=189.19,189.71"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Not only are you flamboyant and colorful, you also make a lot of sense. He says, I agree. And he's a brilliant man and has sent me these earplugs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=190.72,198.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=201.82,201.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Put into my ears if you get too boisterous and loud. So we want to thank you for that. Now, Jimmy Swaggart, what do you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=202.0,207.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Biblical procedure is not determined by one's emotion or personal impression as determined by the Holy Scripture. First, Timothy Chapter three establishes the requirements, the criteria by which a man can preach the Gospel. The last command of the Lord Jesus prior to his ascension is that we go into all the world and preach the Gospel. Jimmy Swaggart is it is constrained by the Holy Scripture to preach the gospel. The question is where and when.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=208.0,230.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't see why we would sit down here and condemn Jimmy Swaggart. Paul was a murderer. Other people and he and he wrote most of the New Testament. There are many people who have had faults and Jimmy Swaggart has repented of his fault. He has said, I'm sorry, he has sat down. You must remember, Peter, the one who turned his back on Jesus Christ and fled 50 days after Jesus rose from the dead. Preach the greatest sermon in the world. 3000 people got saved. If Peter can come, can be restored, why can't Jimmy Swaggart?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=231.43,264.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Number one, there is a difference between forgiveness and condemnation. I don't recall that Swaggart ever suggested such a thing for Jim Baker, who he helped exposed author Marvin Gorman. How do you explain that? St George I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=266.95,281.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Know how to explain it because it's not my job to judge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=281.62,284.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, what you want. You're saying he should have a three week vacation? He should have a three week vacation and then go back to that town car?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=284.86,292.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Three weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=292.6,293.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He was off for three weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=293.8,294.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=294.88,295.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Three months. He was in the pulpit. He was in the pulpit all day. Three weeks after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=297.19,301.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e He has a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=302.2,302.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Right turn now. In other words, the Assembly of God was wrong. Are you suggesting they said they said a year off?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=302.59,308.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they said three months off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=308.95,310.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e They said three a year. They said the Assembly of God, the National Assembly of God said it, said one of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=311.41,316.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The local groups said three months. So he decided afterwards that he would go for them. The national group asked for one year, but he was off. He has paid his price. There are people who are waiting to hear him preach. He will be even stronger now that he gets on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=317.11,335.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend Jordan, the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=335.33,335.86"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Man has a beautiful ministry. His record speaks for himself. We all the scripture says we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So for us to condemn Jimmy Swaggart for what he has done, I think that should be left up to God and not to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=335.95,348.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he's insulting their mother hypocrite who preaches hellfire and damnation, calling something we talk about. Doesn't he talk about hellfire and damnation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=349.47,359.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e He does talk about, Oh, that's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=360.49,361.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The Bible suggests that that's a joke. Well, then how can you say that swagger should be forgiven when he's telling people that everybody, you know, that falls short of his measure is going to be burned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=361.99,376.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e From a biblical prerequisite, and that is that forgiveness is unconditional. Our God and heaven forgives unconditionally. We as.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=379.33,387.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Hell and fire and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=388.32,388.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Has believers irh hellfire. 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Just wait. I am going to ask for forgiveness. He is repentant. He is now working toward restoration. You have no right could position on what he had. No right? No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=401.43,410.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e One last question that you asked was whether or not Jimmy Swaggart preached hellfire and damnation, was it not? Yes. Now, isn't hellfire and damnation the part of our scriptures? Well, it is. And if it is and therefore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=412.66,424.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Sees us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=426.37,426.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In Jesus by another, we.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=427.03,428.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Have a problem with the Scripture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=429.77,430.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Although that is what is perfect and sufficient sacrifice oblation to satisfy for the sins of the whole world. Christ is the savior of all men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=432.67,441.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. So therefore, Jim is right on the part of all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=441.97,444.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. So something ordained as another. 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Here is Jimmy Swaggart. Jimmy Swaggart has been out of the pulpit. He has been condemned. He's been ostracized. He's asked for forgiveness. If he is not a man of God and it's not so much a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=455.74,467.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Disaster, but he should ask for forgiveness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=467.65,470.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e That's not his position.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=471.46,471.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not his position. He's a minister. He was on TV. Did he ask for forgiveness for Jim Baker? I ask for forgiveness. Marvin Gorman. No, he did not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=472.66,482.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he should ask forgiveness for himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=482.74,484.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He's had to live in this case. You're sitting here making these wild claims. Mr. Jimmy Swaggart is doing everything in his ability to be reconciled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=485.17,494.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Is he? 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Yes. And Peter, thank you. Now you know I'm having a little trouble speaking tonight, so I would appreciate one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=503.74,510.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We can be blessed as a blessed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=510.79,512.409"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I want to thank Eric for these earplugs. One is now in my left ear. I want to tell you, you, I we also we have a lot of religious issues we want to discuss. We want to move on. We want to talk about the Methodist United Methodist Church. Some of their decisions during the past week. They voted to write mankind out of their hymns in favor of people and to include portrayals of God as a feminine figure. The nation's second largest Protestant denomination overwhelmingly adopted a new hymnal that generally shifts to inclusive language for humans, such as using all for men and people for mankind. And they also voted, as you pointed out, St George to continue their ban on the ordination of homosexuals in the priesthood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=512.95,553.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'll just say this in our church, we will continue we will continue to use the old hymn, but we don't have to use the new hymn. Good. I think it's ridiculous. It's just the feminist movement that's trying to take over the church now as they have tried to take over a lot of other person lifeboats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=554.08,571.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The language is sinking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=572.29,573.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Could you explain that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=574.78,575.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Set of Man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=575.8,576.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The lifeboats is very similar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=576.52,577.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To to, I believe, as Warwick, Rhode Island. You remember where they came up and suggested that they changed manholes to personal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=578.94,586.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That they said, God of our fathers. They say no, let's say God of the ages, our.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=587.17,592.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Personal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=592.54,592.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e God of the people. That's ridiculous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=593.26,594.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In heaven, our person who are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=595.3,596.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see what they.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=597.1,598.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What stupidity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=598.65,598.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=600.4,600.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the United Methodist Church, you might say, is a very liberal church. Everyone is running to the United Methodist Church when they cannot be ordained. And other churches, not as far as the language of the hymnal is concerned. In my church, which just happens to be a black church. We will continue to utilize the words mankind. We don't. We don't. We don't. There's there's no need for us to use womankind or personhood or people or that that in of that nature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=601.12,630.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Pastor, would you take a moment and justify to me how you can continue to be part of the United Methodist Church in light of their liberalism? Is it more important to be biblical and have a relationship with Jesus Christ and is to be liberal and part of an organization that operates contrary to the Holy Scripture, such as ordaining homosexuals or such as.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=631.18,648.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Changing the Methodist Church is not ordaining homosexuals, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=648.52,651.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There is an effort underway from within its midst to accomplish that. You have ordained homosexual ministers United Methodist Church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=652.15,659.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, but I know that they brought that up at the quadrennial conference. It was voted down by almost two or 3 to 1. They have said homosexuals will not have a place in the pulpit if they can be in the church. And I in my church, they can come to my church, but they should be in the pew on the altar, repenting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=659.47,678.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e St George. St George. Let's go from homosexual to abortion. You come on this broadcast and you're always pro-life, pro-life, anti-abortion. And yet you're also very pleased to suggest that your credentials would ordain you and licensure as United Methodist, Mr. Minister. And yet United Methodist Church continues to ordain and if not promote, promote abortion on Capitol Hill. So that is true. Whose coalition abortion rights is housed in the United Methodist Building on Capitol Hill, and the most outspoken religious advocate of abortion on Capitol Hill. 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Now, I think the key word here is a valid. Now, every. All ministers. Well, I can't really say whether or not we have any homosexual ministers in the Methodist church or in the Baptist church. But I do know that all persons who come to church, no matter what they are, should be accepted by Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now, when it comes to ordination, then that's a different story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=721.21,743.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e For the Methodist church. What was we like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=744.34,746.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I want to ask just one question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=746.74,748.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Lester, are you picking on the Methodist brethren?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=748.9,751.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I have to. Okay. All right. Reverend Ted McIlvain, are you familiar with him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=751.51,755.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=755.38,755.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Not. He produces for. Location films. He is in good standing in San Francisco in the Methodist church. His latest film, distributed at San Francisco State University, was a film of this reality, a young Danish woman having relations with a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=755.83,771.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That is almost as.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=771.79,772.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Bad as Herman Shepherd. Would you tell me, does the Methodist Church condone that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=772.68,777.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sure that the Methodist Church does not condone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=777.63,779.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What they do, because I just checked with the bishop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=780.24,781.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well, what bishop?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=782.28,783.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The bishop in San Francisco, the Methodist Church. Check it. You spoke to Caesar Williams. Surely you've heard of Caesar? Yes. America's only Sunday morning nightclub. What about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=783.78,794.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What did the bishop tell you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=794.97,796.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The bishop's office said a Reverend Ted McIlvain is a clergyman in good standing in the United Methodist Church on Talk to Me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=796.83,803.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Because he pastoring a church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=803.37,804.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=804.78,805.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But then he's just like, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=805.44,806.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He's ordinary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=807.09,807.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He must be freelance. Yes, he must be free. It's no wonder why.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=808.98,812.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you go on to say that the Bishop of the United Methodist Church is going to allow such such bestiality going on in the church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=812.82,819.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How can you in good conscience, the fellow denomination, which has a reputation of being the most liberal denomination in America today, how can you in good conscience serve your congregation? Peter, can you endorse the policy for United Methodist Church? It is beyond me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=819.75,834.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not endorsing that policy. As far as ordination of homosexuals are concerned. 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Are you against abortion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=848.22,849.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you have to say about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=851.04,851.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The question to to you. Well, my. Against abortion. Yes, sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=852.33,856.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Personally, I feel that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=856.59,857.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=858.14,858.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Biblically? Biblically abortion is wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=859.17,862.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Personally, it's always been wrong. And I am against it and bashers against it. But I'm saying this You cannot blame us for what happens in the United Methodist Church. 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I know one thing people know when they say, here is a United Methodist that doesn't have these hogwash liberals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=875.1,888.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Back in just a moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=888.97,889.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not a hogwash, a liberal idea when you, in fact, stay in it. All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=890.04,1005.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We're going to try to get through this. Let's talk about the minister's man of the cloth in politics. You have, of course, Jesse Jackson and you have Mr. Robertson and so forth and so on. And you've got to Billy Graham was a friend of the president's and you have Jerry Falwell. Some people say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1005.22,1021.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I just ran for Congress in 1986. Yes, you did. 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I got elected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1044.369,1049.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I got elected to the house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1049.92,1052.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But if you want my friend here to leave the Methodist Church because of some of the shenanigans on it, why haven't you abdicated your citizenship and left the United States? In view of the fact that the Congress has a a convicted child molester in the Congress from Massachusetts? Could you explain that to me, Peter? Why haven't you left? I mean, think of all because staying. You want him to leave the Methodist church because of some of the shenanigans. 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How can you be a citizen of this political.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1077.87,1081.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e System to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1082.8,1083.34"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And throw.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1083.82,1084.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Back to politics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1084.63,1084.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe that Jesse Jackson has a right to run for office. Yes, Pat Robinson had had the right to run for office. As a matter of fact, the most interesting candidates in the present election, where the men who were ministers, the rest of them are as charismatic as a spittoon of warm spit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1086.38,1105.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Very well. Thank you, Vice President.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1106.71,1108.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Carter. Let me let let me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1108.99,1110.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me bring let me just bring a little bit of the word here in in chapter 61 of the book of Isaiah, the first versus said the spirit of the Lord is upon me because a lot of anointed me to preach good tidings up to the meek. He had sent me to bind the broken brokenhearted and to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to them that abound. If that's not politics, then what is? Yes, God is involved in all things that have been created. God is concerned about those who in prison. God is concerned about those in political positions. What is concern about those persons who have been broken no matter where they are? So Minister, so 11:00 Sunday morning election to the street. So therefore, if you'd like to come and get saved, you are welcome to call.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1110.49,1146.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1146.58,1146.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So God, God, God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1147.38,1148.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e God should be able to pervade politics. If Jesse Jackson wants to run, fine. Any other minister wants to run? Fine. Because God himself Did I use himself? Yes, I did. God himself is concerned about all persons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1149.28,1163.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The fear that most people have is that not that ministers are participating, it's that the religion is going to participate. And there are many strange doctrines which we do not want to pollute our political system. That's not to suggest that a minister cannot run for office, cannot articulate an issue or even defend an issue. In fact, that is where ministers need to be on the cutting edge of what God's doing in the marketplace of ideas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1164.34,1185.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e That's our policy that's in his right now. He's on the cutting edge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1185.79,1187.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1188.01,1188.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The difficulty with it at this point is that he no longer is articulating a biblical worldview. He has brought a marxist worldview into the arena. Unfortunately, he is mis projecting what the Gospel of Christ has to suggest about Social Democrats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1189.39,1203.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e So he is spouting Democrat philosophy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1203.88,1205.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's pornography, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia that is talking about humanism in our public schools, talking about homosexuality. How can a man, Jesse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1206.52,1213.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Jackson, endorse infanticide? Could you tell me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1213.66,1215.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter, any time that just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1215.94,1216.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Give me the citation on that one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1216.93,1219.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter Any time we hear any time that we have a platform that embraces a pro-death agenda which includes infanticide, euthanasia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1219.24,1226.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that's ridiculous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1226.47,1227.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It is not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1227.52,1227.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Written. It is, it is not. You are distinguishing. You fail to distinguish between a fetus and a baby. I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1227.88,1235.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You are actually defending Jesse as much as I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1236.78,1240.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Jesse Jackson defending the Bulls, accused him of advocating and found a side effect. I, i, I think that there's not much I can defend with Jesse Jackson, but I certainly can on that, because he has never suggested infanticide. Never once He You think it's infanticide, but how about your concern for all of the sperm that perish?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1241.1,1262.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What about this here, this we have 2 minutes left. And I just want to ask you guys, you gentlemen, ministers, what if you feel that the church and God are playing an important enough role in people's lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1263.87,1275.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The church is no longer on the cutting edge of social work in America Today, the church is too involved in its own self depreciation, no longer involved on the cutting edge of homelessness and hunger and poverty, no longer taking that the cutting edge. And that's unfortunate. The church is no longer relevant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1276.39,1290.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e In order for the church to be relevant, it has to begin at a local level. That's correct. With the pastors of the local churches, the pastors, the local churches, all the head of the church next to Jesus Christ. And if the parties are concerned about the common people, as Jesse Jackson is, then the church will be. Be able to be on the cutting edge like it used to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1291.48,1306.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Unfortunately, it has deteriorated to a place where it's more concerned about the audience share and water fountains and all types of other activities. When I should be involved with the homeless, the hungry, the little, the fathers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1306.4,1317.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's where. Could you tell me this? Have you in your pulpit and have other clergy in your denomination has had anything to say about the current gay rights, so-called gay rights, really? Child Molester Protection Act that's being proposed to the Baltimore City Council on which Archbishop Waters is tongue tied. Could you tell me, have you spoken to this issue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1317.89,1339.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we have not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1339.97,1340.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I've spoken to it. You have? I've spoken to it. And I said that I do not believe that there should be a gay rights bill. Good. I've spoken out against abortion. I believe and let me tell you, I have seen gays in all positions running universities, doctors, lawyers, everything. So I don't believe that they're discriminated as they say they are. I'm against anybody being discriminated against. I am also concerned that in this state we do not even have a fair housing bill. So there are people in the city of Baltimore who can't go out and get fair housing because we don't have a fair housing bill in the city. We need that much more than a gay rights. Let me back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1340.99,1380.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e In just a moment. Now we're going to call on our good brothers here to help us out with the letters. Here is less with the letter, number one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1380.38,1448.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Carol Parker of Baltimore writes, Boys, Mosley has the right idea to make parents responsible for their children's school attendance. Also, while they are vandalism of property, etc., once they have to pay out a couple of times, they just may pay more attention to where their children are. Right on, boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1449.3,1469.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And Elmore of Glen Burnie writes, According to Bob Scheer, quote, We are losing the war on drugs, so let's legalize them, end quote. We are also losing the war on crime in the streets rapists, terrorists, burglaries, hijackings, you name it. Should we legalize these crimes to Mr. Share? We had better get our priorities together or we'll really lose the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1470.3,1489.26"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e And Dorothy Webster High, Dorothy of Baltimore, writes, I've been an avid watcher of Square off for a number of years, and I'm here to tell you both. Mosley is a very intelligent and knowledgeable man. I'm impressed with the way he conducts his school without order, punctuality and respect for the authority of teachers. We're turning out two generations of mental midgets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1490.16,1511.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I really enjoyed being here tonight, especially with you last.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1512.45,1514.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Year, dear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1515.17,1515.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Friend. Pleasure, Reverend Jordan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1515.42,1516.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Please write us here at square off. Jay Z, TV Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland. Two. One, two, one, one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1517.19,1523.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I want to thank all of you for helping me out. And you're.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1523.28,1525.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Welcome. And watch our governors beating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1525.98,1527.78"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. Let's let Peter close it out. We're going to go home and drink some tea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1528.35,1531.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Go for Richard Sher and the staff of Squirrel. We thank you for watching. Be with us next week when once again, we square.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1531.92,1537.56"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Goodnight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1539.18,1539.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Richards Wardrobe provided by J.S. Edwards Ltd. Fine men's clothing in the Hilton Inn Plaza, Pikesville. Well. Richard's wardrobe provided by J.S. Edwards Ltd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604#t=1540.53,1657.91"}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/118920/file/223604/transcript/62949/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/062/949/original/open-uri20240104-1741760-c69gkc?1704396365","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/062/949/original/open-uri20240104-1741760-c69gkc?1704396365"}]}]}]}