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We're going to be talking tonight on Square Earth about what has happened with the space shuttle Challenger in the weeks since the tragedy. And what do you think about this fiasco?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=58.32,75.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that it was an ivory, so pure organization of bureaucracy that's come down to the level of all bureaucracy. Suzanne Wagner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=76.59,85.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it shows us exactly what bureaucracy really does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=86.53,89.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend St. George Cross. The shuttle was a part of life, in the middle of life as if there was risk in everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=89.99,96.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e As much of a tragedy on the ground as it was in space. We'll talk about the Space Shuttle Challenger and other subjects in the news tonight as we square off. And good evening everybody, it is Saturday night at 730. Welcome to another Square Off program. I'm Richard Scherer and tonight we're going to begin by talking about what we have learned or haven't learned since the space shuttle exploded in Merritt Air a few weeks ago. The O -ring that apparently failed during ignition. The memos that apparently have been written warning up to four years ago that this should not be done. What do you think about this? Do you think this tarnishes NASA and the whole image? off. NASA and the whole image?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=98.23,145.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it tarnishes one of the pure bureaucracies that we've ever had. But mainly, I mean, we don't know anything about the O -ring and the booster rockets and so forth, but we know one thing, that the basis of all of the trouble is human frailty, human problems, and it goes throughout.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=145.97,166.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And the basis of what's going on here is that we're now becoming very much aware of what happens to paperwork within the bureaucracy. That memos can be written and people can find things out. And when you put it through the regular channels of pushing the papers to your superior to your superior, somewhere along the line somebody doesn't pay attention when he should.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=167.09,184.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's appalling. It's absolutely appalling. You know how this is proven, it gets down to a local level. And it's appalling, it's absolutely appalling. where the memo was written to Hughes relative to old court.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=184.69,194.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=195.809,196.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought it was a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=195.93,196.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e inconsequential at the time. This memo was ignored. However, though, the thing that people are trying to say is that there was a cover -up. This memo was ignored. I think that when you go shooting off into space, you realize that there are certain risks. The people who have become astronauts were glorified and made big people because of the risks that they were taking. I think every time they got into that capsule, they realized it might be death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=197.73,224.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, St. George, there's no argument with that. The only point is that a . . . There's not, there's. decent memo stating this exact risk was written by a man and it was totally disregarded because his background wasn't scientific he was in finance or he was in some other branch of the government so it was totally discounted because they said what's he know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=224.81,242.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e because he might have been just guessing. I'm saying that if you got into the space program, you expected to die. 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Test pilots die every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=252.45,255.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You're saying that these people are suicidal, that they're on a kamikaze mission. I don't believe that for one minute. believe that for one minute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=253.76,260.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Six of the seven understood the risk. I think the challenge that we have is we have to understand the full equation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=260.47,265.43"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think the 6 or the 7 knew that there had been trouble with the O -ring and that there had been memos written warning that the space shuttle shouldn't fly unless it was fixed? 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The people who got into that space capsule, they may have been willing to risk their lives, but if they had been aware of the report on the O -rings of risks that were not attendant to the general risk, but risk greater than the attendant risk. They couldn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=299.41,313.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e They couldn't do that. I got it. There's no possibility. You can't get a technician down to the level. I choose your possibility. Whether or not they should have a backup on the o -ring or a backup on this or that or the seams I mean you just can't get into that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=313.37,328.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But Edgar, I do not believe that anybody who works on that program a gun. put those people up there knowing that they were going to kill anybody. No, but they took a chance. They took a chance and that is what goes with the glory of being an astronaut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=328.44,341.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But they took a chance on somebody else's life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=341.38,343.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e when they didn't have backup. No, I do not believe that there was actual negligence. So somebody said, look, this thing might blow up and we'll send people out. So somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=344.77,349.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The head of NASA said that three years ago, they had a backup for this O -ring, and they decided to cancel it because they'd done 20 of them, and it worked. And nothing happened. 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And then they have put in the newspaper and on the news now that this capsule was the lightest one that ever went up. They keep changing the composition of what's going into the capsule.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=368.63,381.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Weather.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=381.68,381.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The weather was the coldest it had ever been. They used the launch site, I think, in closest proximity to the last launch. You're talking about taking so many risks together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=382.55,392.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But with all that is happening, if they say volunteers to go up to space, you'll have them line from here to Cape Canaveral. But it's mainly fame. It's fame. Yeah. And so therefore. Everybody wants to go. One of the costs of fame is risk. It might cost you your life. It costs seven lives. 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Prior to this, the space program had become routine, but with all the hype from public relations, the pressures to put more space flights up this year, I believe we hurried something. We're a long ways before we have the confidence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=414.97,436.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But that's a human frailty too, because the ones who are doing this, you know, it's money. 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It's the other thing is that NASA wanted to be what they are, which is the top. They were getting less money, but they want how to make more money. As far as prestige, as far as the United States against Russia, they had to put so many up per year. France and Russia are not putting space shuttles up with people in them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=445.11,470.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll be back in a moment. We're going to take a look at what's been happening also in the Philippines, speaking of fiascos, and Haiti, when we continue in just a moment. Marcos versus Aquino, the Philippine election. And we put it in quotes because a lot of people don't consider it to have been an election. The votes are still not counted. President Reagan says Marcos appears perhaps to be the winner, support him. He tells Aquino, support the man who has been your president. What do you think about this so -called election, St. George?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=472.13,617.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't support violence or fraud, but in third world countries, violence and fraud in the election process is sort of par for the course. Aquino should support whoever wins the election. I'm sure that Marcos also will. but as what happened in Haiti and what happened in the Philippines. I believe that we can't expect elections to go the same way that they do over here in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=618.11,648.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not comfortable the way we framed the question. I don't think that we can evaluate an election by the winner. We're saying by the way the question is asked, unless Mrs. Aquino, Aquino is in fact the winner, it's not a fair election. 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For instance in Haiti, the Duvailliers ruled by fear, Francois Duvaillier and Jean -Claude Duvaillier ruled by fear with the Tonton Macou and the day that the people of Haiti started saying, we do not fear you anymore, they were able to overthrow the government. It's the same thing with...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=695.03,717.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But what are they going to have? Right now they're sitting on a new government that has supporters of Baby Doc and they have military people and they have a couple of, we don't know what they're going to be, what their colleges are going to be. 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In the Latin American countries and down in the South Pacific where the Philippines is, we're sitting on waters that have to be protected. We have vital American interests in those areas, so we are between a rock and a hard place. Whoever wins, somehow or another, we have to find a way to work with them or accept them, or take them out. And when they say take them out, everybody says the CIA will go in and take them out. We can't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=732.74,756.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e and take them out. We can't. First of all, it's the North Pacific. It's not the South Pacific. It's not the North Pacific, it's not the South Pacific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=755.96,759.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e The best thing that can happen is a is that Mr. Marcos retains in The best. I think it's a little... authority and in power. Mrs. Aquino has no background, she has no experience, she has no ability to administer or lead a people. We're talking about a relatively unknown You know, it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=761.21,776.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know he was going to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=775.67,776.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I do. The man that I'm concerned about is Salvador Laurel. He is that communist supporter. And Edwin Burke said that people who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=776.89,787.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That was Edmund Burke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=787.71,788.71"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was that that said that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=788.87,789.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That was no it was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=789.88,791.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Score a point for Richard. It was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=795.0,796.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It was Bacon. Bacon, all right? Hillary? Well, we'll go with Francis Bacon. Not him. Francis Bacon. We'll go with Francis Bacon. Right, Bacon. Those of us that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The question that we have to raise is that we saw it happen in the 1920s in the Soviet Union. We saw, in fact, a coalition formed, and then when, in fact, the coalition won, we saw Lenin step in and just eliminate all of his opposition. We saw the very same thing take place. in nicaragua when in fact a coalition was formed and then when in fact they got into power we saw a man named ortega step in i believe that salvador laurel the communist in the philippines would on immediately if mrs. aquino were two of one she would in fact have been replaced he would have been killed we a communist nation. Well, I don't know about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=796.97,839.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know about that, but I think Makino, I mean Akino, was a housewife, and I know you're going to resent this, but she was a housewife, and when a housewife starts leading the government, it's only going to be for a short period of time before the vice president's end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=839.04,854.28"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I have never seen anybody married to a house. However, we'll ignore that comment completely, I think that anybody who's going to walk in there is going to have trouble. The basic problem that you have in the Philippines is the army. And the army, the military there, is so totally at war with each other. You have very volatile people in the military right now. That's where the arms are. No different than any other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=853.86,873.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No different than any other third world country. They're always the same. The military will generally wind up with it, and if they are really, really feel for their country, they may give over to a democracy, but they're going to have the power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=872.08,884.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I hate to see it happen, but even in Haiti, if we don't watch out, the communists, the Cubans, the people from Nicaragua and other places, the Dominican Republic is just next door, could come in and set up a communist government in those areas. Well, that can happen anywhere. But it will not, the communists will not be friends of the United States and not be friends of people like us. 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At the end of the week, the Secretary of the Interior, Donald Hodel, fired Iacocca, who I guess has been the mainstay of the Statue of Liberty Restoration Committee because he saw a conflict of interest between a fundraiser and a person on a committee to decide how the money would be spent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=948.76,974.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Heady jealousy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=974.01,974.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e He's considered a possible Democratic presidential candidate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=975.15,977.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Petty, petty, petty, the most petty kind of jealousy around. Here's a man who can accomplish what he accomplished for the Chrysler Corporation. Walks in, takes a job, raises, what is it, a quarter of a billion dollars for the Statue of Liberty, and now somebody says you're doing too much. If you do too little, you're damned. Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan, Susan hours for this day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=977.99,990.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But Susan, Susan, whoever heard of what was going on, what was going to happen? 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I believe that democracy works a lot better than a dictatorship, sir. And when you begin to establish... I said a benign dictatorship. When you... Yes, here we are going to say this is one benign dictatorship. You make the exceptional become the rule. We don't know who's going to be the next one, sir. You know what Churchill said? We're going to... This committee and this commission process is about... Hold it. 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What kind of Herb? Herb from Burger King? Carbohydrates. Is it Burger King? Burger King. Burger King. And he won ten grand because he also had his herb called. Out of school. Out of school. He should have been in school. Out of school he was truing. Some say he should have gotten the money. Some say... 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The school's not doing such a bad job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1283.64,1290.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e If the school taught them anything, it was by accident. Our schools in this area are educating children under ignorance. We are graduating functional illiterates. Kids are dropping out at unprecedented rates. The school system in this area is a total collapse. It is a failure. It needs to be redone top to bottom. 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There's no argument I think he's absolutely right. St. George? You're a brighter man than I thought. there's no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1307.98,1310.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think he ought to take the money and go to a private school. How about his comments?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1314.27,1317.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter's comment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1318.19,1318.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e about the schools here. I agree partially. I believe that the teachers are doing the best with what they have. But the teachers are loud.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1319.18,1326.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e totally disagree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1326.66,1327.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e point about the guy who found Herb while he was on a break, unplanned or on excuse","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1327.98,1333.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he should have the money, he got the money, but I think the teachers were right in disciplining him. He had no right to be out of school. I think you should be disciplined by the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1336.33,1337.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. All right, back. If you allow that, you've allowed this whole system. All right, back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1344.02,1345.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, we used to go to school every Monday and go down to the Century Theater and or down to the scratch house. And look what happened. And look what happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1346.52,1353.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And look what happened. I don't remember, but I read it in your history book. We'll be back. We'll be back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1351.58,1355.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e What happened to you all? What? I don't remember that girl's name. What is this man?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1358.25,1363.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, lots of letters, let's try to read a few in reference to our panelist, Peter Waldron. Ida Mae Johnson of Pikesville says, I've had it up to here with Peter, what's his name? He evidently thinks he's a great speaker, but there's a lot of difference between a great speaker and a verbal bully. I only hope he doesn't give Christianity a bad name. Peter. Thank you for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1463.79,1481.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Item A, blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake. I bless you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353#t=1481.45,1485.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144637/file/267353/transcript/77340/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Lauren Kessler of Baltimore responds, thank you, Peter, to our discussion on race relations, saying, the black person of today has given every opportunity to succeed in the job market. If they want to be free of racial prejudice, stop comparing black to white. There is only one race, that is man. A .C. Moser of Aberdeen, Maryland, comments on our discussion about budget cuts in Madeline Murphy's remarks. One -on -one at pregnancy is an accident, but any more are not. If a girl gets pregnant the second time without benefit of marriage, she should be sterilized. When I heard Madeline Murphy's phrase, sex is recreation for poor people, I flipped. That's insane. Here is our address. Square off, WJZ -TV, Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland, 2 -1 -2 -1 -1. Write to us about what you heard tonight, the content and the characters who were here, and join us again next Saturday night at 730, when once again, we square off. Good night, everybody. 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