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It's 12 noon. We're live on City Line. Hi, I'm Jackie. And I'm Betty. But it was nearly two years ago that Wayne Williams was convicted of two of the 28 Atlanta child murders. Since then, many questions have been raised about Williams. His trial was his fate decided on the basis of complicated fiber evidence. Today, we'll discuss these questions and more with someone who was with Wayne Williams. Our guest was Williams lead defense attorney. Mary, welcome. Exploring alternative education at Baltimore's Free University. I'm Tim. On to you and I'll have that report. Hi, I'm Harold Anthony. Along with Johnny Gil's latest video, I'll feature an exclusive interview with that rising young star. And I'll be telling you about several auditions where you can exhibit all of your star qualities. All of this and more on today's edition of the Entertainment Page. We'll also have a live telephone interview with Harold Spence and Atlanta attorney. He'll give us an update on the situation there since Williams conviction. Find out more about the conviction of Atlanta's Wayne Williams as we talk with his attorney. Mary, welcome. It's all next live on sit in on. And I'd like to welcome back my co-host. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I made it back in one piece. Indeed you did. Have a good weekend and a fantastic weekend grades. And as you know, we're back now to talk about today's show. And the subject is Wayne Williams and some of the issues that is surrounding that case. And we're talking with his former defense attorney. Mary, welcome. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you so much. Let's start off by asking, was Wayne Williams the killer of the 28 or so people in Atlanta? My opinion, no, I don't think that he was guilty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=2.93,204.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think that he's capable of killing. But even more importantly, I don't think that he was convicted of the quality and quantity of evidence that we've known and believed should be the amount of evidence in a case such as this. Now, he was actually tried for two of the murders. Do you feel that he indeed committed those two? No, I don't. No, I don't. Those let's get rid of one perception, and that is that they were children. These were grown men. One was 27 and the other was 31. So to say that he is the Atlanta child murderer or convicted of the murders, they were not children. Are you saying that Wayne Williams did not receive a fair trial? And if so, why? Oh, goodness. How long do we have? I don't believe that he received a fair trial. One, the amount of time that we had to prepare for the case was just just too little for a case such as this of this magnitude. We started out with over 400 witnesses, potential witnesses, government witnesses, and being defense attorneys. We are supposed to interview as many of those as possible, not knowing which ones the government might call. A lot of them, we had no idea where they were, what how to reach them. And it was just impossible to gather the amount of resource and personal investigators in order to do the kind of investigation. Are you saying that the officials rushed the trial to the extent that the defense was not provided adequate time? Oh, absolutely. Sometimes we complain because we say that justice is slow. And this instant it was going 150 miles an hour. Why, then, was Wayne Williams convicted? It was the timing. I think the bottom line is that the jurors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=205.75,321.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Felt that just in case he did convict or kill the children, that they were not going to allow him to be put on the street. Reasonable doubt normally will acquit a person being tried in this case. If there was any doubt at all, it convicted him just in case he is the one we're going to keep him, we're going to convict him. But the jury, they were the group that actually said that Wayne Williams was guilty of irrespective of the evidence presented and so forth. Apparently, the jury was convinced. Why do you feel that was so? Was there something specific about it? Well, being in the criminal justice system for as long as I have been, I've been on both sides as a prosecutor, as well as a defense attorney. And I know that with the FBI and all of the government money that was spent, you can just about convict anybody that you want to. And with the the the orchestration by the FBI, I mean, they are the ones that wrote the script and in fact, produced the witnesses, paid the money. I think they are the ones who were responsible for the actual trial, the progress of the trial and ultimately the conviction. Okay. We're going to continue our discussion with Mary. Welcome. One of the defense attorneys for Wayne Williams in Atlanta. And we'd like to invite your questions now by calling us at 481 1313. We'll come back in just a moment. For five. Is that right? Welcome to the defense attorney, one team of defense attorney for Wayne Williams. Mary, one of the things that that you feel that I understand is that the press helped convict Wayne Williams. Oh, is that so? Oh, they played an enormous role.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=322.7,529.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They convicted Wayne before he even went to trial in the in the beginning, because the the media started when the killings took place. They had on each of their news programs. This is day 84 and there is no suspect. As soon as there was a suspect and it turned out to be Wayne, then the media just was just inundated with everything that they could find about the individual. There was a headline. Wayne went to a particular school and a child said that he used to smoke grass with him. Well, it turned out that Wayne never went to that school and that the the information was false, but the media never went back and corrected that. So everything at all, everything imaginable appeared in the press. And I think the police force and the FBI played a part because they would leak information, information that they would never be able to introduce at trial. It was before the public, before the trial, not necessarily trying to vindicate the press, but is it unusual for that sort of thing to happen in the case of such notoriety? Wayne Williams did not help this case at all as far as the press is concerned. No. But in answer to your question, is it unusual? No, it's not unusual. But I think in this case, it was even even worse. But and even the media themselves kind of criticized themselves and said, wait, we are doing an injustice here. I had to go into federal court to get an injunction against all of the media, national and international, to try to protect Wayne and his family from the media. One, if he had to go to trial, how can he get a fair trial when the media was so obtrusive? Number two, if he was never brought to trial, how would he recover and his family, how could they recover from what was happening with the media? Why wasn't Wayne Williams the kind of perfect for the time and perfect for this kind of treatment? Because from all accounts, he appeared to be a rather odd individual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=530.61,659.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wasn't it perfect for this kind of coming together of events? Yes, Wayne. Wayne was, do use your words odd. Oh, he was a mischievous person and liked to play to taunt the media and the police. And I think that that might have been the reason that he was at the the bridge that night. As a matter of fact, it's because of his mischievousness that caused him to be arrested. Wayne came by my house one day to show me all he had 15, 16 cars following him at any one time. He took the media to the airport, the media and the police force to the airport. The FBI had been told if he gets on a plane, commandeer the first plane and follow him. But Wayne could not afford to pay to go to the bathroom, much less charter a plane. But he thought it was cute, but wasn't a part of how the police became aware of Wayne Williams was the incident on the bridge. So are you saying now that he was actually on the bridge? He was on the bridge, but he was not stopped on the bridge. There was nothing in any testimony to show that Wayne had stopped on that bridge, which is very strange because the bridge was surrounded by on top each side with police officers and they could not say that he stopped. It is very difficult to throw a body out of a moving car. When you are driving, you have to almost do it that way. And that just did not make any sense. If there was any one key piece of evidence that the prosecution presented that you feel swayed the jury, what would you say about. I suppose it would have to be the fibers they made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=660.6,763.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The fibers seemed so important. Now, let me just tell you a little bit about fibers very quickly. Fibers is a part of a broad category called trace evidence. Trace evidence. Traces of yourself that you leave whenever you go somewhere. When I leave here, I will take a bit of your your your stage with me. I'll leave something of myself. Fingerprints, perspiration, all kinds of things. Fibers are just a little piece of lint. They found some of these things and just blew it so out of proportion that it became they found fibers on the on the children They did not. And that matched. I think the main thing was green fibers that they found in this home. But they in order to to be of any evidentiary value, the fibers have to be unique. So, of course, they tried to show that this green carpet, which was very inexpensive carpet, could only have been purchased in a small area, and that therefore it was unique. But fiber evidence is not conclusive. It is normally an investigative tool leading you to all the areas to look into. Was this one of the first times that fiber has the fibers have been used? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And it will not be the last time, unfortunately. But it was just exaggerated. Yes. Also with them going to the home. And the mother, I believe, does not believe that he's guilty. Why would they? The family let them come into the home and take the fiber from the home without maybe questioning. Really? Why? Why do you want to come into my home to to cut my carpet? And I as a mother and as a mother instinct. She would also believe or have some background in knowing how her son went about doing the killing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=763.58,883.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This I question. Now you've said a mouthful. Number one, they did not voluntarily let the police into the home. They had to search. Once they came one time and just tore up the home, they tore the ceilings out or the floorboards up, took the carpet up, fingerprinted the walls. I mean, it was just a mess. But not only did they do it once, but they came back a second time and did the same thing over again. And in any of you, if they did this to your homes, the say they could find fibers in your home that might match someone else's fibers. But they could never say that the children were in the home because there were no fingerprints. There was nothing other than these fibers that they say were on the children, but nothing of the children was in the home. So the mother did. The mother was the mother ever questioned? Because being a mother and a mother instinct, if he even bought children into the home at some point in time, she would have known that something had occurred and would believed that something in her home had occurred. They never, as far as I can understand, interviewed the mother that she would give her opinion about her son. Okay, let's not answer. Yes, they did question the mother. In fact, the mother was a witness there. There were children in the home because he had a little band and he was constantly promoting young children. He had a great interest in developing young kids. And those kids are alive and well. And the home's the way that the Williams home is situated. They're very close. You could almost hear a slight yell. Your neighbors could hear the backyard. There was no way of getting in and out of the house without the neighbors seeing the children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=884.0,1004.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nobody could testify that any of these children had been in the home, that they'd heard any screams. There was no blood in the homes. They did find blood on one occasion in the attic, but it turned out that it was at an animal blood or a rat or something. But, of course, it it came out in the paper. Blood found in the Williams home. But you're absolutely right in your observations. Let's talk a little bit more about the the category of the handling of the evidence. It seems to me that much of the criticism that has come out since the trial has been around the prosecution's mishandling of evidence. How is it possible that evidence of this Manute nature could not have been challenged because of the handling of the bodies as well as the evidence? They they were challenged and they are challenged being challenged. That is a part of the appeal. The issue was raised on appeal just to to to vividly point out the handling of the evidence once they in the crime lab. And of course, we couldn't get the information because we are we were sabotaged in every turn in trying to get this kind of evidence to produce for the defense. But all of the children's clothes were stacked all together in a pile, now, carrying the transference theory further. Those clothes are constantly transferring one to each other constantly. So if you lumped them all together, you don't know what fibers came from, what clothes, but that is how the prosecution. Was able to get away with it. They got away with it because there everybody wanted a conviction. Everybody felt that this is is the proper way of doing things. And with the FBI orchestrating it with the prosecution, the United States government is, in fact, the ones that put Wayne on trial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=1004.95,1112.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. We're going to continue our discussion with Mary. Welcome in just a minute. Please stay with us. We'll be right back. My tours of duty and I just couldn't afford it emotionally or financially. We are good, we can move recalls. So I haven't put any of those through. But probably after we talk with her. What are we going to do every time you call the law? Okay. Karen is calling here now and in just a few minutes time, so you'll let us know. How do you know they did They just keep it? They stop keeping a list. We should come back with some based on keeping a list of all the killings. Questions. And then we go. But I want you all to touch base with us. Okay. You let us know. Now, can we go to the phones? Don't look at the box. Look into the. So what? Now, here's this week's community calendar. Hello, my name is Sandra Peele. I represent the Department of Women's Ministry of Bethel AME Church. The distinguished Mrs. Jacqueline Jackson, wife of Reverend Jesse Jackson, will be the speaker at our second annual day on Sunday, March 24th at 6:00 PM. Admission is free and the public is invited. Proceeds from the offering will benefit the Women's Center. For further information, call 5234273. Good afternoon. My name is Geraldine Waters, representing the Cultural Arts Committee at Coppin State College. The Coppin Dancers will perform at Spring Concert entitled Encore March 21st through March 24th. Admission is $4 for the general public, $2 for students and $1 children under 12. Proceeds will benefit the scholarship fund. For further information, call 3834578. Thank you. Hello. My name is Donna Sharrock. I represent the wives of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity during the regional convention in Columbia, Maryland, Friday, April 18th through Sunday, April 21st.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=1113.19,1341.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are sponsoring a fashion show to take place on Saturday. The show will begin at 12 noon at the Columbia, and proceeds will benefit the Alpha Phi Alpha Scholarship Fund. For further information, call Sondra Barrett at 9972277. If your group or organization would like to announce an event, please write us in care of Cityline. WJC TV Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland 21211. Or call us for further information at 46600013. Between the hours of nine and five. We're back on Saturday night and we have a review of the Wayne Williams case out of Atlanta, plus an update, and we'd like to go immediately to our microphone. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I have a question. I saw the movie and I'm wondering if those five words could have possibly been planted. Saying the simple answer to your question is it's very possible. But I think that you open the door for all kinds of possibilities. I would lean towards no, that they weren't because there was just too many fibers and there was just too much exaggeration and drama attached to the presentations on the fibers. So I don't think that they were significant enough in and of themselves to have been planted. I could see if they were going to do anything at all. Find an eyewitness who said, yes, I saw him, you know, kill the children or something like that. But to falsify the fibers, I doubt that they did that. Thank you for the question. We have now on our telephone lines a live hookup from Atlanta. We'll be talking to Harold Spence, who was one of the team members of the defense team with Mary. Welcome. Good afternoon, Mr. Spence. This is Jackie Hall in Baltimore. How are you today? Good afternoon. I'm doing fine, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=1342.59,1492.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great. We'd like to get an update from you on what's transpiring in Atlanta. Now in terms of murders, Are there a continuation of murders of black children in the Atlanta area? Well, that might be understandable in an urban setting. The fact you're going to have murders of children in any event, whether a pattern is connected with those murders or not. I think it's fairly safe to say that murders of young children are continuing, although, as our local officials tell us here, there is no discernible pattern to those murders. And they're simply attributing those to one of the unfortunate consequences of urban living. What is your opinion as a professional, as an attorney? Do you think there is a pattern to the murders that are continuing since Wayne Williams was convicted? Let me be quite canned with you and admit that I have not kept up with those murders and I have not reviewed medical examiner's files, independent ment to attempt to determine whether or not a pattern exists. And like most citizens, I'm simply reliant on what I read and hear from the various media sources. At this point in our community. There is at least no indication through the media that there is any desirable pattern to continue in child murders, at least in terms of the recent television production. How is Atlanta, the city, the people dealing with the case two years later? Is it still an issue aside from the movie? Not particularly understandably, it episode that many Atlantans would have preferred never to have happened. And since that day, that's an episode that many Atlantans would prefer to forget. But perhaps. I think that many of our citizens were fairly convinced that Wayne Williams brought the killers and that upon his conviction, our crisis period was over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=1492.86,1613.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although, let me say there is a considerable body of anger, and I say also that he was not proven to attempt to kill him. But all in all, I believe that our city is calm now and we're attempting to recover from what was a great tragedy for Mr. Spence. Jackie Hall, again, do you feel that Wayne Williams was railroaded? I think railroaded is quite a problem per se. I don't believe that he was railroaded, although having sat through the trial myself, I do believe that he was not proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I think there was considerable guilt about his considerable question about his guilt. And I think there's many, many questions which normally I answered during the course of a criminal trial with never answered in this case. Are you familiar with any of the appeal process in terms of what's happening now as far as Wayne Williams case is concerned? Well, I understand from the present attorney, Lin, what about two weeks ago? And Attorney Romney is presently preparing a habeas corpus. Petitions for review in the United States District Court here. First Layman, could you explain a little bit more about what that part of the process is? As of now, when William William's legal appeal have inspired the highest court in our state, has heard his case and has decided at first. Now the next avenue of review is through a process called habeas corpus, where he asserts that the allege that his continued detention is unlawful and that Justin will be brought in the United States District court here by Attorney Rodman. Mr. Spence, as you look back over your role and for the defense. What would you have done differently had you do it, had you had an opportunity to do it all over? Well, let me say that we were very much limited by our lack of resources.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=1614.31,1736.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know that there is a considerable great deal that I could do differently given the same lack of resources. And I think that it's a great yes today, very welcome that she was able to pull together a very diverse and to some extent, egotistical defense team, along with his lawyers and investigators, and to get done what was actually done. So given the same lack of resources, I don't know that I could or would do anything differently. Mary, do you agree with the assessment that he was not so much railroaded as a very poor job of prosecution was done? Oh, yes. I agree with Harold. Railroad is is a very strong term, but the prosecution did a fantastic job of putting their case together. But again, when we talk about lack of resources, the money, the the time, we just were not able to do the kind of job that we wanted to do as a defense team. Mr. Spence, Jackie Hall, again, we thank you for having talked to us from Atlanta. And we'd like to say goodbye to you and good luck to you as well. Thank you. Again, I've enjoyed being with. Mary. Why do you feel that this could have happened to Wayne Williams at the particular time that he did, especially with the involvement of the FBI? The time was right. Look at the the situation going into the questioning of Wayne. The the lid of the city was about to blow off. The blacks were convinced that this had to be generated by by a white person. And even the profile of the FBI excluded that the fact that it could have been a black person because blacks normally do not kill their children, you have never heard of any serial or mass murderers who were black.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=1738.02,1862.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it had to be white. Just shortly before the the arrest of Wayne, the police were diverting people from the black neighborhoods, the low income neighborhoods where the murders were taking place because the blacks were geared to kill. They were hot. They said this is has got to be white. And any white person that went through those neighborhoods were in danger of their lives. So even and once outside the prosecutor, the district attorney, just two weeks prior to the trial said that there were four different patterns, four different possible murders that were associated with these killings. And then suddenly when Wayne is arrested, then he's responsible for all of them. No more four different patterns. Just one. And Wayne was a suspect. So going into it with all of the emotionalism and the fear that was going on, they were primed for anybody to be arrested and convicted. We're going to continue our discussion. Very. Mary, welcome and talk a little bit more about the trial. Wayne Williams, please stay with us. Will be right back. We're back live on the. In the United States with Mary. Welcome, Mary. The television movie that was on short time ago, it received a great deal of criticism from a number of viewpoints. In your estimation, did it give an accurate sense of the process of the trial itself? Let me first say that I agree with the impression that the movie leaves you with that Wayne may not be guilty of the killings. However, I do not agree with the way that Atlanta and the the black officials were portrayed. The impression that you have is that because it was a black defendant with a black judge, a black predominantly black city, a black mayor, a black commissioner of police, that therefore, if there was an injustice done, blacks did it to each other, and that the whites in the movie, even the prosecutor, were painted as heroes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=1863.04,2098.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the attorney from Mississippi, Mary, welcome you very you didn't see very well because they didn't need any more black folks on the defense team. But the the the whites were the great hope, the great white hope, the salvation of the blacks who were doing it to themselves. And I think that it is very unfair and a very false impression. The movie was almost foreign to me, especially the trial. I had to stop and say, Hey, is this the same trial that I participated in? It was labeled as docu drama, which allows some playing with reality. They could have had a docu drama using the facts as they were and still come up with a very good piece without the misinterpretations and the misconceptions. But remind I must remind you that while people see it as a docu drama, they take it to be fact. And there were very few facts in that movie. There's a great deal said on the part of every man, the producers of the movie, that they were supposedly using the actual transcripts of the trial. Is that true? They may have used them for some purposes, but they didn't use them to write the script. Okay. Now, what does this say about our criminal justice system? What does this say about recourse for justice? I think what it says is that justice does depend upon the emotionalism of the people to whom justice is directed. I will say that while justice in some instances may be slow, Wayne ultimately will receive a new trial. And I do believe that the questions that the country is asking how did he do it? How were the children gotten to without any bruises, scratches, no force? Where were the killings? Why were the killings? All of those questions ultimately will be answered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=2099.43,2212.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is to be learned from the Wayne Williams case in terms of a future case in a similar proportion, in terms of media, in terms of evidence, presentation, and so forth? I think it was a learning tree for a lot of us. I would hope that the media learned and the media, mind you were asking the same questions that the citizens are asking now. I think that there will be more of a responsiveness to the needs of the people that a trial such as this, a matter of its magnitude, will not take place in a period of three or four months. I remember when the president was was almost shot. It took a year for that man to come to trial. Wayne went to trial in a matter of a few months and there was less evidence. And you saw that right on the TV. But doesn't it also say that where there is a community that wants to be relieved of the stress and the tension, that it will acquiesce to just about anything in order to put it behind? Absolutely. If dogs are hungry, hungry, you throw them a bone and let them fight over it. And it does appease them to some degree. But ultimately, after chewing on those bones, they're going to look back and say, hey, that was not enough. And I think that's what the people are saying now. Even the mothers who are saying, I don't think he killed my child, and if he did put him on trial for the death of my child. And very quickly, there was even one mother who testified that the man, the child that was buried and the police said it was her child. They said she said, that's not my child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=2213.46,2299.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they said, well, he's your child and he's going to be buried with your child's name. And she testified, That is not my son. So the the the the effect of of such emotionalism, such fear and such a desire to quiet things down can cause an individual such as Wayne, who cooperated to some extent to be caught in the vise of injustice. Very welcome. Thank you very much for being with us. Thank you. I enjoyed it immensely. An awful lot to help us find out where this case is now. Thanks very much for being with us. We'll be back in just a minute with T on news. Please stay with us. Good afternoon. Topping today's news cap calling all students the Baltimore branch. ACP is looking for you. The local chapter of the civil rights organization has embarked upon an ambitious program of voter registration in city schools during lunch hour on April the fourth, the anniversary of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The NAACP will attempt to register thousands of city schoolchildren who are or soon will be a voting age. Voting age is 18. Those registration efforts will take place in school cafeterias on April the fourth. The Maryland Senate has passed legislation that would provide civil penalties of up to $1,000 for certain professionals who knowingly failed to report cases of suspected child neglect or abuse. Those penalties would affect health practitioners, social workers and police officers providing adult education in a relaxed atmosphere as the charge of many alternative universities across the country. But seldom are those universities free or at a very nominal fee. One such low cost educational alternative is the Baltimore Free University. And joining me now to discuss the Free University is Mr. Antonio Carpenter, public relations director for the university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=2300.79,2498.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Carpenter, thank you for joining us this afternoon. Thank you. Tell us about the Baltimore Free University of Alternative Education that I understand has been around for over 20 years, yet I haven't heard anything about it. Yes. In fact, the Baltimore Free University has existed since the early sixties and primarily housed on the on the campus of the Johns Hopkins University. And the fact that you haven't heard probably is due to the fact that it was underutilized and not promoted well. What is the focus of the university? The focus of the university is to provide inexpensive educational services within a relaxed atmosphere without the pressures of a degree, program or grade getting. What kinds of courses does the university offer? The university offers a wide variety of courses from such things as how to start your own business to a course in layman's law, which will be taught by attorney Georgia Grassley, amongst others, and nutrition courses, as well as other skills and fitness courses. And looking at your catalog, which is really well prepared and I think you have over 78 course offerings or more than that. It seems as though the the the alternative education is taking a holistic approach to education. Well, I think that that's true. The whole society, in a sense, is taking a more holistic approach. And the Baltimore Free University joins the society and providing educational services that concur with that ideal in mind. Is it really a free university? Well, it is essentially a free university. The only charge that is incurred is a very nominal registration fee, but the instructors are volunteer instructors and therefore the courses cost nothing. I understand your registration is not too far away. People are interested in finding out more about the Baltimore Free University and about the course offerings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=2499.87,2607.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What should they do and how can they register? Well, two things are happening. The Register open registration is occurring on March the 23rd Saturday from 1 to 3 p.m. at the Homewood Friends Meetinghouse at 3107 North Charles Street across from the Johns Hopkins University. In addition, the catalog of the courses can be obtained in the Crystal Fountain newspaper, which can be obtained in most health food stores, public libraries and at Roger's Beauty Salon, Mr. Antonio Carpenter, public relations director for the Baltimore Free University. Thank you for taking this time with us this afternoon. Thank you. In other news, blacks who are the number one sufferers of high blood pressure, which often leads to strokes, may benefit from a new drug that stands to improve the long term outlook for victims of stroke. Researchers at the University of California believe the new drug has been will combat the neurological damage caused by the blockage of arteries that supply blood to the brain. When a stroke occurs, he has been called the hottest entertainer to come along since Jimi Hendrix. He is Prince, the creator of Purple Rain. We get a progress report on his phenomenal career from Larry Carell. The five foot three Minneapolis rebel is standing tall in the world of popular music. Merging funk and rock has achieved a revolutionary crossover in much the same way Jimi Hendrix broke the rules in the 60. I'm going to let my body be free. His risque lyrics go where no mainstream rocker has dare go before the jealousy. Yet Prince remains a master pop strategist in firm control of his destiny with an eye to the future. Those visions yielded Prince two platinum and two gold albums by the age of 23. And then came the Reign.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=2607.83,2726.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is the most successful rock and roll movie ever made. So far. Purple Rain has grossed $70 million at the box office and sold more than half a million videocassettes. From Purple Rain, Prince's Own Self and I Would Die For You. The soundtrack album has sold 14 million copies worldwide. Purple Rain. And it has earned rock's reigning monarch the princely sum of three American music awards. Larry Girl, Channel seven, Eyewitness News Reporter. And finally, Nicole Nichols, a talented fifth grader at Hapeville Elementary School, is City Line student of the Week. Although she is only ten years old, Nicole balances her schoolwork with many outside activities and programs. She is a straight-A student who spends most of her spare time in libraries and art museums. Nicole has received the Baltimore City Public School Certificate for completing the summer reading program, the Super Student Award for excellent class work and participation, and the Hapeville Elementary School Award for Outstanding Achievement in Reading. She has also earned a safety City Award from the Baltimore Police Department. Nicole would like to become a physician in later years. Best wishes and good luck to Nicole Nichols, city line student of the Week. And that is today's newscast. I'm to monitor more of City Line up next. Have a good day. And. Hello. Harold Matheny here. And on today's edition of the Entertainment Page, I'll be featuring the latest discovery from our sister city, Washington, D.C.. You know, in the past, Atlantic Records has tapped the D.C. music reservoir and come up with the likes of Donny Hathaway, Roberta Flack, and most recently, Stacy Land of Soul. Now, history holds true to its course. Lightning is about to strike again and place another star in the D.C. Connection. His name is Johnny Gill, and he's the protege of another youthful star named Stacey LaRusso.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=2732.81,3002.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Johnny and Stacy were schoolmates at Washington Sousa High School and often sang together informally doing mock talent shows in Stacey's basement. When Stacy's professional career skyrocketed, she temporarily lost touch with her old schoolmate. It wasn't until two years ago that Stacey and Johnny were reunited, and Stacey rediscovered the tremendous talent that she had left behind. Well, with a good ear for talent and a pipeline to all the right connections, it wasn't long before Stacey had arranged to have Johnny audition for Henry Allen, who's the president of Cotillion Records. When Allen heard the rich baritone voice come from such a young singer, he immediately set out to find the right producer to properly showcase young girl's talent. Freddie Perrin, who produced the Jacksons in the early years, was chosen, and the rest is history. Johnny is now working on his fourth LP, and if his current success continues, he'll be making many, many more. Here's Johnny Gill with Half crazy. Since you've been gone. On that note. Never been to a game. Just one. It's so. We love you, darling. Come back. I. The. Myself. Q. Where. That was Washington's Johnny Gill, who performs with a star way beyond his years. You know, Johnny was in town recently and I got a chance to talk with him. You stay on the go quite a bit. And obviously you're still at a point where you're getting an education. How do you manage that? You know, I was stationed I am finish school stationed at both and tutor and we use we did that with the Jedi. But I want to go to college and I don't know how we're going to work it out, but I want to take over electrical engineering. So it's going to be kind of rough, but I'm going to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=3003.41,3314.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going to definitely do it. That's good. That's something because singing don't last forever. It can. You know it can, but who knows what could happen tomorrow? What do you plan on doing next? Aggie Yeah, I definitely want to get into to acting because, um, it's just something that I want to do, I think is, uh, every artist, uh, dream, I guess, is to be an actor. An actress? Yeah. It's something I want to do, but I want to. My singing career definitely comes first. If you could change anything about your life right now, if you could make a wish and wish you may come true, what would you wish for? I don't know that I could sell 40 million copies, but Michael has a great, most enlightening interview with a young artist whose star is just beginning to rise. Hey, listen up. If you're interested in joining the circus, then Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Bailey Circus is going to be holding auditions for dancers on Friday, March 29th at the Baltimore Civic Center at the Hopkins Place Pass Gate. This all takes place at four $0.30. They're looking for young, talented women, 18 years old or older. If you're interested in a comedic career. Auditions for Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Clown College will also be held on Friday, March 29th at the Baltimore Civic Center beginning at 430. Also. Remember to use the Hopkins Place pass gate. You must be at least 17 years of age. For additional information on both auditions, just call 243, two, four, two, one. Finally, if you feel that the only thing holding you back from being a great singer is your voice, well, your star can still sign at Baltimore's Best Lip Sync contest that will benefit the Baltimore Dance Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=3314.98,3427.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll be one of the judges along with City Lines executive producer Michael Easterling, who'll be acting as your emcee. So join us, along with a host of other radio and TV personalities for a fun filled evening under the lights. The festivities begin at 2 p.m. on Saturday, March 23rd at Pascal's 3300 Park Circle Drive. You can pick up your contest rules and entry forms at any one of the seven convenient Chicken George locations, crypts, floors or the hall closet. But you better hurry because all entry forms and fees must be received no later than March 16. For additional information, simply call 7929655. And with that, I'll have to wrap up this week's edition of the Entertainment Page. I'm Harold Anthony, hoping you all have a great week. I mean, one more thing. Steven gave us some very interesting information, I think. Yes. And now we'd like to talk to you about next week's show. We're going to have a spectacular fashion extravaganza, and it's for the big and beautiful one women. If you'd like to be in our studio, you can give us a call here at 481 13, 13. And make reservations. And of course, you can always write us here at the station, which is the address is WG, ETV Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland. Two one, two, one, one. And if you are big and you are beautiful, we'd like for you to be in our studio live next week because we're going to some fabulous fashion. Of course, Gerald Anthony had the pleasure of meeting two lovely ladies on the high wire Saturday night. So there's a lot to be rather interesting, too. And also, we'll have the hotline for the out of work, which may help some folks who don't know how to handle certain problems that they're facing while being unemployed in a great show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157#t=3427.64,3543.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105476/file/206157/transcript/48881/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks a lot for being with us. I'm Betty Bentley. I'm Jacqui Hall. 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