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And it was Mr. Secretary of Interior, Mr. Ikkes, who provided her with the opportunity to do an outside. concert at Lincoln's Memorial, and America wept because Marion Anderson, of whom John Bailey has said. You can't sing in my house because the roof's too low for your voice. And yet, prejudice and racism would not permit her to sing in the DER hall. There's so much about us that we need refreshing about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=28.41,93.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me about the day that Martin Luther King was assassinated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=94.62,96.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=99.41,99.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e what you would do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=102.19,102.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I can tell you how I felt, uh, devastated. I had come to know him socially as well as in the civil rights movement. uh... he and i had some mutual friends I had discussed with him, Stride Toward Freedom, the book he wrote, and of course I knew Vernon Johns who preceded him at Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery because he later came here and lived. the day that... We finally found out, you know, it was like Robert Kennedy, it was like the President of the United States, never somebody who is of real importance dies as a result of violence. It takes a long time for the news, so there was this interminable stretch. of time when we didn't know anything and then when we found it out we were devastated because there were some lines of agreement I think that I thought America had arrived at and That is, I don't know why I thought it, but it's... I got the feeling that violence was a thing of the past because of Mike's having read Henry David Thoreau and Dusty Husky and Gandhi and had met Mordecai Johnson and Vernon He was steeped in the tradition of non-violence. I don't know whether nonviolence was to him a technique or not, but that's not the important issue. The important issue is to get to the point where people are embarrassed by their violence. And on that basis, I was just devastated. I had just hoped. See what I really hope. that after 1954, when schools were desegregated and then the March on Washington, I left the March on Washington so completely thrilled. You know, there was not a car fender. During that whole day, when all of those thousands went and left Washington, there was not a recorded incidence in which one car was struck, with all of the busses. It just seemed like the beginning of something new and marvelous. And then, of course, when he was caught up in what most of us are caught up in, And that is decorating our soldiers and assassinating and killing our saviors. When this occurred, I was just devastated. And of course, mine was to weep. And the others, only 1% or 2% now, took part in the disturbance. And let's not ever let white America forget that, that it was 1% or 2% of the people in this country who responded in the disturbance. because had all of the blacks in America responded in the same fashion, you would have had total anarchy. So I guess it took me a long time to answer your question, but it was just something that, and then you couldn't believe, because you know, people that you had known and had sat down and eaten with and discussed Saragraha. listen to points of view about nonviolence and then to see a person come to a violent end having entered into this. And of course there's something else that's forgotten. Martin Luther King might have been alive today had he not gone to Riverside Church in New York and preached against the Vietnam War. The Vietnam War was for the politicians, for the generals, for the Congress, but not for profit. Most preachers are expected to say the nice, right things. As long as he was talking about black folk eating in greasy spoons and getting off the back of busses. Poor people are going to eat in greasy spools anyhow. Poor people are going to ride public transportation. But when he talked about the iniquitous practices occurring in Vietnam and that we needed to get out of there and let those people fulfill their destiny and stop the pulverization of their land and of their life, France couldn't beat them. Nobody can beat the Vietnamese. Nobody can beat a subject people, because they defy being. expurgated from life. They're going to live. And that's the sad thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=106.31,462.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me ask you a little bit specifically about your role. First of all, you made a statement to me that's still in my head. I said the riots in 1968. You said the disturbances. Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=463.79,475.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you see, riots come as a result of people responding to some incident. the riot, the Haymarket riot, any of the riots that you're talking about, come as a result of the police coming in and initiating violence. This time, people, because of their total sense of devastation, reacted. They reacted like any animal reacts on depression. And there's a difference between a riot and a disturbance. A riot is one thing and people who are disturbed. You see, somebody killed the hopes and the dreams and the notion of salvation to black people all over this country. And they responded. They became totally frustrated. and as I rode through the through the streets during the disturbances. As commissioner of the fire department, I could go all over the city. I was one of the few persons who could just go willy-nilly anywhere I wanted to go. when the disturbances came about. I went out in the street and I took Vernon Dobson with me on several occasions and Frank Williams on several occasions and we toured the city. I can't remember how many days it was, but it seemed like it was eons where a city smelled of smoke. You can go into a neighborhood and smell a little smoke of a fire, but can you imagine a city block. a fire, and people running, breaking in, looting, and all of this is a result of their frustration. And I am so very glad to point out that looting does not belong to black people. witness Armenia, witness what happened in Russia at the time of the earthquake. And you'll discover that they had problems with looting. Looting is not a black thing. Looting is a human thing. Looting is done privately in the higher circles. And it's done in the lower circles. And only in the lower circles is looting called looting. In the higher circles square, vast combines buy out each other. That's a form of looting. It's the same mentality. Get all you can, as cheaply as you can. Take it. I don't know whether that answers your question or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=476.33,663.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you did. Tell me, you're talking about what I assume are some misconceptions about 1968 and the year of the disturbances and what followed afterwards. For someone who was not here in Baltimore, first of all, what is one of the biggest misconceptions that people have about that year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=664.1,686.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the conception is that they shouldn't have done it. You know, this is, and I say they shouldn't have done it, but you either blow off or blow up, and they blew up. The intensity of the moment was so extreme until black people felt that they had to do something, Rightly or wrongly. But they had to do something that will let the world know that our hearts hurt. And the desperation is not something that's black. The desperation is anywhere people push other people down. And I want that understood. What happened in 1969 is what has happened historically. Thanks for watching! across the world. Bastille Day. Why Bastille Day? Because people in France got sick of it. Why the Russian Revolution? People got sick of it. Why the Vietnam War? Because the Vietnamese got sick of France and sick of America. I'm a preacher, so I'm not supposed to say anything about this, but that does not take away the hurt. that is inherent in what has occurred.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=688.24,781.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What was your specific role in 1969, trying to overcome as a... Did you find yourself limited as a minister?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=783.94,789.86"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I have never been limited as a minister. The good thing that a minister enjoys is that when he is hired by a heterogeneous grouping and they either love him halfway or respect him halfway, nobody can get to my pocketbook. Nobody can put the economic squeeze on me, and so therefore I can say what I want to say. The Ministers' Alliance and the NAACP, every organization that I could put my hands on, I was interested in joining them. I was interested in bringing ourselves together, maybe not to calm, because nobody had the power to calm those black folks when they got loose. Uh, you don't calm them. Not even General Galston sitting down in the armory could do anything about it, but march people, march the National Guard around town and keep down as much as he could. But when people get loose, they're loose. There is absolutely and positively no stopping. And what disturbs me is the fact that history has taught us very few learned lessons. They've taught us a lot of lessons, but we haven't learned. And I'm still not saying. people will rise again. Most of us are caught up in effects, not causes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=791.08,902.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see if people will rise again. Do you think that's happening now? Are you seeing me in deja vu at 89?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=904.45,908.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Overtown, Miami, Liberty City, Miami, Cocoa, Miami, simply based upon the fact that justice was taken in the hands of a policeman who did not understand his role, did not understand what he was to do. and therefore he took law, life, limb. and everything else in his hands, and in a fit of disregard for human personality. You see, how big is Miami? And this leads us back to violence of the police across the country. There's nobody that can really hide in America. So why run somebody down when you know who he is and you know that you can cordon him off and find him? So why use the power of your gun?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=908.97,971.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm very curious, what was your relationship like with some of the government officials such as Governor Agnew?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=973.92,979.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Governor Agnew told me personally in his office, and I have witnesses to this, that I was personally repulsive to him. And I told him that that was his problem, a problem with which he would have to overcome. I never like forward to Spiro Agnew. We were caught up in a bind, which you must understand. There was this nice old gentleman whose name was, isn't this awful? But he was the man who was running against Agnew. And he had, this is awful, he had put out a campaign slogan, your home is your castle. He's the man who brought the big church down on Charles and on Chase and St. Paul. But anyhow, Agnew, under subtle machinations got blacks and whites because they felt that he was the better of the two candidates. Mahoney, George P. Mahoney, that's his name. Uh, George P. Mahoney was by far the better man. George P. Mahoney is still a respected man in this town. But we got caught up in the subtleties of politics and I campaigned for Mr. Agnew. But I want to tell you also that I'm one of the first persons who got up and walked out on Mr. Agnew the day we were invited down to the state office building. and those who left came into this church, on the first floor of this church, and had a meeting after we had left the governor's office. He had not spoken to anybody about what he was going to say. He came tough, bitter, and hard, and claimed that we ran, when what could unarm? middle class blacks do with a city that was burning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=982.21,1128.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So the 68 disturbance is what really broke the gap between Agnew and yourself, pretty much, or Agnew and the boy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=1131.25,1137.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so because time has a way of not telling you its secrets, you have to live the secret out and so fortunately Mr. Agnew was taken to be with Mr. Nixon as his vice president and that meant that we would not have to deal with Mr. Agnew. And of course, Mr. Agnew went to Washington and proceeded to enter into all sorts of illicit relationships, which means that he might have been the worst governor the state of Maryland has ever had. So, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442#t=1138.6,1182.78"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144685/file/267442/transcript/77561/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What about the tape? Oh, OK. 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