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America needs to show moral leadership. The president dropped the ball and the congress is putting the ball right in his hands. Elaine Stein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=99.04,107.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We're talking about moral leadership, I'd like to see it here in this country. I mean, I might agree with the veto, but I'd like to see more things happen in this country with people who are needy and with racism and discrimination. Boyce Mosley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=107.34,119.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree with the overriding of the veto, but I don't think it will make much difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=120.08,123.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e and the return of Carter Clues. I think it's the worst possible thing that could have happened to the blacks in South Africa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=123.81,129.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll talk about the South African sanctions and the Baltimore Orioles, other subjects in the news tonight as we square off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=130.389,136.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=140.9,142.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What, what, what? Elaine is making a comment. The Carter, Wyatt, the Carter is back. He used to be a regular panelist. He took a leave of absence to go to work for the Senate and all kinds of different things. You have a Carter -Klein. He is back. Elaine says it sounds like he was in jail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=145.8,158.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e We reflect back on the first time you and Carter were together. Worse than jail. We reflect back on the first time you and Carter were together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=160.019,163.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you gave it to him after the show. I wish we could tell you what happened. That's right. And be enduring. Let's talk about the South Africa. Good to have you back. Thank you. It's good to be back. Talk about South Africa, the sanctions, and what you think about them. and before during. you are against them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=165.98,177.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm against the sanctions. I'm against the sanctions because I think the real losers are the blacks in South Africa. I think if we had maintained a posture of being able to exert influence on the South African government, that we could have made changes there. We've already put them in a position where they've essentially obeyed a social apartheid. Now we've taken a step backward because the government of South Africa has to react. Has to react and it's going to react boldly and it's going to hurt its own people. It's going to hurt its own people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=177.96,203.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it was necessary for us to bring sanctions, because it was necessary for us to do that for the American people, particularly for American blacks and for the world. It was a great symbolic gesture, but I don't think that it's going to make much... I don't think it's going to make much difference in terms of South Africa. Yeah, I agree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=203.63,221.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I agree with you. It's a symbolic gesture, but the problem with it is it's symbolic not only to the blacks in this country, which have been sold a bill of goods, but to the blacks in South Africa, particularly the ANC, which is already slaughtering and butchering any black in South Africa who tries to be moderate. I don't think we want to give those people a symbol of accepting that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=220.01,241.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think you want to give those people a symbol of accepting that. It's not those people you have to worry about. It's the moderates you have to worry about. And when Bishop Tutu is proclaiming to his people and his moderate followers that history will treat our president harshly, what we're really saying is that we're not backing you moderates. We're abandoning you all. And if we don't back the right horse there, then we've got no reason to complain if the wrong horse comes along. The biggest loser of -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=238.44,266.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Bishop Tutu is going to be the biggest loser of all, and I'll tell you why. Because if we pull the rug out from under the South African government, and that country falls, it's not the moderates who are going to take over. They never do where there's communist undermining. It's the ANC. It's those who right now have already given the necklace treatment, and that's one of the most hideous deaths you can die, burned to death with a tire burning around your shoulders. Who does that? To 400 of their own people. The communist ANC. this is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=264.26,292.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but we've got no reason to complain when we back a dictator like Somoza in Nicaragua for how many years? They're like samosa. No, no, listen to this. We back a dictator. 20 years, 30 years, he represses his people, then when they have a revolution, they say they hate us. And we wonder why. We do that repeatedly. The worst thing we can do is to keep backing and appearing to back to both the government, which is what you're suggesting. I would have loved to do it. I would have loved to do it. What we can do is to keep...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=290.8,313.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I really should hear and listen to all this and I know this situation is a very bad, it's a terrible situation and you're right because of losing face and all and because of our, I think a lot of this comes out of our own guilt because we have such a history of guilt in this country as far as discrimination is concerned and racism about what? as far as this. about our treatment to the blacks that it's very interesting to me that now we're up in arms you know about another country when our history has been absolutely disgusting until just recently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=317.229,348.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e We're asking the South African government to do, in ten years, what took us 200 years to do. That doesn't mean it's fair. That doesn't mean it's right. No, that doesn't mean it's right, but it means we have to be reasonable. That doesn't mean it's right, that doesn't mean it's right by any means. That doesn't mean it's right, but it means we have to be reasonable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=348.96,359.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not for us to be anything, it's for those people not to be discriminated against. Absolutely. I don't care under any circumstances and all this. I don't care. cock and bull stories about what they're doing to each other. They can do to each other what they want. It's not for us to tell them what they can do. what they're doing to each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=360.36,369.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e then why do you support the veto? The override of the veto. I'm talking about the people who are just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=374.13,378.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm talking about the people who are discriminated against themselves, there's always going to be unrest. In any revolution, there's always going to be a lot. It's always going to be on the rest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=376.28,381.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, all the dialog we're having, all the discussions we're having in this country and around the world about South Africa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=385.189,391.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Won't mean a thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=391.53,392.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not really helping the people, it's merely polarizing them. What we need to do is try to get all parties to come to some equitable agreement, because if we don't, that country is going to be in a bloodbath.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=392.34,407.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=407.73,408.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e And you see and many of the blacks over there because they think they outnumber the whites that if they had a Revolution they would win they may outnumber them in body, but not in fire","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=407.85,419.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e African's foreign minister, Pickbolda, threatening to cut off the importing of U .S. grain. Well, he was encouraged.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=420.76,428.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e to do that by Jesse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=428.98,430.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e to do that by Jesse Helms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=429.03,430.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. That's just enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=430.92,431.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's another one of Jesse Helms' forays into foreign policy. He was the guy who was pulling the senators off the floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=431.24,439.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e If we're going to intervene in their domestic policy, why should we tell Pick -Boat -It not to intervene in ours? That's right. Fair is fair. It's nothing more than a moan. Fair is fair. They should vote it. They should vote it. 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We're a minority. And they don't want to see the revolution over there, because they're fearful that this would stir up the brown and black people all across the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=452.6,469.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what I can't think of? Boyce, I don't agree with you. I'll tell you why I don't. No, boys, I don't agree with you. Because I'll tell you why I don't. because if you look and see what the other Western countries have been doing, except for the United States and Britain with relation to South Africa, and you find where Johnny come lately, Australia has already cut off South Africa, Canada has already cut off South Africa, Canada has almost no black population. There is a real sense of moral distress here. One more minute. And the people are concerned, the world is concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=469.09,498.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What would happen if it got down to the point where the black South Africans had a revolt? Would any of the major nations of the world offer the black South African military support and aid? And I'm saying yes. Not on your life. Yes, absolutely. Not on your life. Yes, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=497.03,516.429"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The western countries? Oh, yeah. None of them. Not one. I think you find massive intervention. Well, right now they're just stopping supplying the white ones. Massive intervention. None of them. Oh, yeah. Not one. I think you find massive intervention by the Western. 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Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=545.87,548.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Between a thank you so much between a rock you know how I get it all but that's not a rock and a heart Well, but it's I just think about what a tragic situation it is. There's sanctions. They will suffer no sanction I mean, it's really terrible between Iraq. If there's signs of We'll be back in just a moment. It's true, because there will be a terrible bloodbath if there really is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=547.03,566.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We are glad you're here. We are well -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=673.09,674.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We are well aware that this is the first night of the Jewish New Year. Rosh Hashanah and many of our Jewish panelists that are on here tonight are in fact home. This program is being brought to you by the miracle of videotape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=674.98,685.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We still feel the same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=686.59,687.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, absolutely, but Elaine still has the same feelings. Now we were talking during the break about Nick Daniloff, a U .S. News and World Report reporter who returned triumphantly to the United States in the deal for Gennady Zakharov, even though the president says there was no connection. And Boyce and Carter told us during the break that they both feel that Daniloff was in fact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=688.479,708.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e a spy. What do you say? I have strong suspicions that he was and I think that's one reason why we put forth a great deal of effort to government and get him out of the country. And there's nothing wrong with that. But there was an agreement years ago. You know that there was an agreement. But there was an agreement years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=709.03,722.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that there was an agreement that these men wouldn't do that and would never work with a KGB because they would be, they would be tailed and because it was so obvious. So there was an agreement that none of these journalists would do that. Because it's so obvious. Well, just that it was such an, it's such an obvious thing because one is so. because it's so obvious. I mean, it's just so obvious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=722.64,745.34"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e He may have been framed in this instance. I think perhaps he was framed in this instance, but I still have a strong suspicion that he's carried on. Why? Why? He's carried on by activities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=745.7,755.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He would be so obvious there as a journalist. This went on years ago. And yet. So obvious there is a journalist. This went on years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=755.45,758.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And you have the other thing, you have that whole idea of the journalist code of ethics. And this is a highly respected, well -known journalist, I'd be astounded if he was a spy. But I've got to tell you, if anybody's making us start thinking he's a spy, it's our administration. Good. I gotta tell ya, if... our administration. Because the administration runs out and says he's not a spy. At the same time, they say they're not going to trade. Then they trade. After they trade, they say, we haven't traded. 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So you're saying there's no - You talk about -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=784.06,801.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I need to add a new thought in here. If Danilov is not a spy, then Ronald Reagan should fulfill his campaign pledge and step down for being incompetent. Why would that make him incompetent? Just a moment. Because to trade... Just a moment, go ahead. If Dan Loft is a spy, then get him out of there as quick as you can. If he's not a spy, don't sacrifice American prestige, don't sacrifice, don't give them back a real spy. There's no prestige. Yeah, but we've been doing that for years. Don't get so high. That doesn't mean you continue to do it. Somewhere you have to take a more stand. Oh no, we don't. It's wrong to surrender in order to get a dictator, a tyrant, to the bargaining table. Because if you'll surrender to get him there, think what you'll do to keep him in. Oh, please. Yeah, but we didn't do it that way! year, hopefully. We understand it's wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=805.68,835.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e In the arena of foreign policy, in the arena of international intrigue, there's no such thing as honesty. And for too many years, we in America always thought that we have to be honest while our counterparts weren't, and we finally wise up to the fact... And we better, and for too many years, I don't buy that. I don't buy that. that we are not honest and we shouldn't be expected to be honest dealing with a dishonest world and a dishonest people. dealing in a dishonest world and a dishonest people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=842.87,872.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There's another problem here, and that is we are real suckers for hostages. When our people are held hostages, we bleed with the family, we bleed with every one of them. Television has us doing it, and that's what happened with Danilov. Why doesn't Reagan agree? They know we're suckers, and they do it every time. They've been doing it for 15, 20 years to us. If Reagan's gonna make a... Good point, Gary. We grab a spy, and the moment we grab a spy, they grab a hostage. has a good point. And that's what happened with Danilov. And they know we're suckers, and they do it every - If Reagan's going to make it, hold it on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=872.66,893.26"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Carter is going to negotiate with the man who was launching terrorist terrorist attack upon terrorist attack in Afghanistan Has killed a million of them. Why didn't you negotiate with the Palestinians? They're pikers compared to Gorbachev Why? You mean, why did you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=897.35,914.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Shouldn't he be out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=915.24,915.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Couldn't he be out there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=915.06,915.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e tracks there you stop because I'm having trouble understanding because it's at a close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=915.96,920.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Why not negotiate with the worst terrorists in the world, why not negotiate with the minor terrorists, the nobody terrorists, to get those poor people out of Lebanon? Well the reason - No shade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=920.26,921.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You negotiate with the people who you feel can get you the results that you need. You'll get results if you negotiate with the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=928.85,935.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e with the Palestinians. No, I'm not sure. I'm saying we shouldn't negotiate with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=936.04,939.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying we shouldn't negotiate with Gorbachev. We have a whole bunch of nuclear arms aimed at a country. Here's your arm. The other country happens to have a whole lot of nuclear arms aimed at us. We may have a mutual interest in lowering the stakes so as to lower the chance that we're going to blow the heck out of each other. And it seems to me that that's the pragmatic thing that brings us to that bargain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=937.05,962.86"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Look, it's ridiculous to think that this is the first time it happened. You know, I certainly am not a staunch supporter of President Reagan, but let's face it, anything that he does would be downed by 37 factions on this side and 47 factions there. I mean, whatever the man would do. It so happens that whenever a president dies, whether it's Kennedy, now that Nixon is no longer in the White House and all this, all these papers... Still alive, however. He's alive. But what I mean is papers are released. It's still alive, however. and we find out 10 years after the fact, 20 years after the fact, all this stuff that went on that nobody knew anything about. So what makes you think that in this case, things have not been going on for years and years and years, wheeling and dealing? I think I'm talking about a Gaddafi or something. You're talking about a major power and you're talking. after the fact. Wheeling and dealing. If they have...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=962.53,1003.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You're talking about the ones who sponsor Gaddafi. You're right. You're not talking about... So therefore we left it. We left it. You're not talking about a mere Gaddafi. What would you suggest that we do? Bomb them? Send a missile over there? You want to know what I suggest? I'll answer that question. Ladies and gentlemen. That'd be important. You're right, you're not talking about America. So therefore we have to, we have to. You're not talking about America, Duffy. What would you suggest that we do? Bomb them, or send a missile over there? I'll answer that question. What I would have done is as soon as we got him released to the American Embassy, taking him out of the country. I would not have continued negotiations with those kind of people, with that kind of character.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1009.77,1034.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, can I make one statement? You were not the President of the United States. You really don't even know, you're not even in this, I mean, you really don't know, none of us know all those facts. So tell us, that's a very nightmarish thing. You were not the president of the United States. That's unfortunate. You really don't even know. That's unfortunate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1033.609,1040.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't you think that the Russians thought that also, so what we would do, we'd get him in our embassy, then we'd get him in a helicopter and float across Europe. A helicopter across Europe? Whatever. Whatever. A balloon. That, in itself, could have... Whatever, whatever. I'm done. Duh. cause a major incident. Come on. that we already had a major incident. No, no, no, suppose we attempted to do that. that we already had a major incident. No, no, no. Suppose we attempted to - We already had a major incident. Hold on, hold on. Quiet down. and they shot down the plane, and someone was killed. I don't, I wouldn't have done it the way you're so president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1049.58,1078.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I wouldn't have done it the way you're saying it. I wouldn't have done it the way you're saying it. I wouldn't have done it. That's the way you're saying it to begin with. I would have gotten into our embassy, and then I would have effectively disguised him and moved from there. Oh, god. That's so ridiculous. That sounds like a tens of novels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1077.7,1090.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that's so cool. That sounds like a tens of people there that are following you. What's the matter with you? They're better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1086.41,1091.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't you think that many of the Russians working in the embassy or around it are working for the government also? Of course. Don't you? We're in the middle of their country, we're going to disguise this fellow and get him out of the country. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1094.399,1108.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He's got thousands of bad people in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1109.07,1110.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e thousands of our people for one minute. Have you ever been to Russia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1109.34,1113.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you ever been to Russia? Thank God no, and I never will go there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1110.96,1116.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it would be an education for you. I think it would be, well, this country isn't free either. I think it would be an education for you. It would be an education. to get on a plane and fly to Russia and just see what it's like. Because really, then you wouldn't make such naive, stupid state may be out of a country where with it's filled with spies. May we?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1116.23,1130.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend Carter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1138.23,1138.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well that's tough, you know, and Carter aggravates me. You know, a quarter aggravates me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1139.13,1142.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You're giving me a stomach ache. We smuggle people out of country all the time, Elaine. then I'm easy. We smuggle people out of countries all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1142.69,1148.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't smuggle people out of Russia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1147.62,1149.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e If Carter, whether we like it or not, we've got to live with them, and there's thousands of Americans in Russia, there are thousands of Russians in America, we have to deal with them on a day -to -day basis. There are thousands of Russians in America, we have to deal with them on a day -to -day basis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1150.879,1161.86"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we don't. I don't understand. No, we don't. It's a reality. They are there. They are a major power. We don't have to deal with Russia in the way we're dealing with them now. It's like a lion. They are there, they are there. deal with Russia in the way we're dealing with them now. We don't have to... It's like a lion. Every surrender invites aggression. You ignore it? Every surrender invites further aggression. We surrendered on the Danilov case. If he wasn't a spy. 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Elaine Stein, Carter, and Orlick, and Boyce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1178.38,1186.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We cannot leave tonight without looking. This is the last weekend of baseball. Thank goodness we're here. We're going from bad to serious business. I'm a star. 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And this has not been in the world at this point in the day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1195.02,1199.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sorry. What do you think about it? We're just at the bottom. I mean, it's the pits. What's happened to the oil? I'm sorry. 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I'm still gonna have my job Maybe so so why get all upset because this year like the Orioles end up in the cellar This year, the OR -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1206.61,1224.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the only guy more relieved than all of us that the season's ending is Earl Weaver. Merle is her waver. 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Did you try this, guys?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1255.38,1276.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Now that brought a smile to your face. Now that brought a smile to your face.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1277.51,1280.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because he's such a jerk that I wonder why I waste my time. that I always I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1280.63,1283.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, who should get this job? They say that it's going to be Cal Ripken, Sr. Are you happy with that? to get this job. It's going to be cow -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1285.59,1288.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't really care. No, honestly, I can get it really excited over here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1291.26,1296.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e See, if a man said that, it's okay. If I said that, I can't get it. That's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1296.1,1297.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think what they really ought to try to get back is Frank Cashin. 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They've gone someplace else, you see, so I think we're smart. What have you been smoking tonight? Nothing. But you know WBAL wanted the Orioles and we didn't get it. They went to another station, they've gone to WCBM, maybe that's where they belong. That's a no -winner, too. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah, that was smart of you. It's nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1309.89,1317.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll come back next.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1328.33,1328.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Just a moment. What is with you? It's true. That's station. Ah, Elaine. Of course, those opinions are Elaine Stein's. They certainly don't represent this station. And then it is. How dare you? We'll be back in a moment. Oh, I like that. Skynes, they certainly don't rep... How dare you! We'll be back in a moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1329.79,1343.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1405.939,1407.34"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e One of our regular fans, Rhea Miller -Hennison, has written to square off, she says that the letters from the panelists are far more interesting than what you guys have to say. Alright, well maybe tonight too, unless you can take us on one more trip to Russia. One of our - Is that to say? Probably. Here is a letter responding to our very hot debate about, quote it, the mudslinging in the 7th Congressional District. This letter from Annette Johnson, if we can get serious. to our very hot debate about... St. George Cross's desperate quest for political gain has injured innocent youngsters who have nothing to do with the circumstances of their birth. I'd rather give my vote to a man who's willing to accept his responsibility than to one who would crush the innocent for his selfish gain. Here's a letter from Florette Hough, also of Baltimore, who writes, to square off, Mr. Infume talks about teen pregnancy and what he'll do about it, yet he didn't know what to do about his five sons born out of wedlock. Call it out of wedlock or call it illegitimacy. It still hurts the black community. And this letter from Thurman Johnson of Baltimore adds his opinion on that same matter by writing, I agree with Madeleine. The issues concerning the Seventh District are not paternity suits, but the welfare of the people. Of course, people still want to know the histories of the candidates. I also agree with Michael Middleton. Are there any candidates who do not have some type of mark about their past? And we would also like to take this opportunity to thank Mildred Ellis of Baltimore, Catherine Scott of Baltimore, Eugene Bay of Baltimore, Sherry Wages of Frederick. James Halk of Timonium, Maryland. We can't read all this. We had quite a mailbag this week, and we'd like very much to hear from you, because we'd love to read your letters, because as Ray says, they are far more interesting than what the panelists had to say. We'd love to read your letters because as Ray says, they are There's the address, square off, WJZ -TV, Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland, 2 -1 -2 -1 -1. 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Carter, it was good to have you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336#t=1542.41,1555.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144629/file/267336/transcript/77341/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It was good to have you back, all of our Jewish friends, and a very happy, healthy new year, and join us. All of our Jewish friends. It's a very happy, healthy new year, and join us. Next Saturday night at 7 .30, when once again, we go to Russia with a Yeah, that's right. We go to Russia with a win. The debate has already begun. Was Danilov a spy? A couple of our panelists say he was in fact a spy. We'll also talk about the overriding of the president's veto, the South African sanctions. 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