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Hi, I'm Jackie Hall. And I'm Betty Buckley. Many people view homosexuals, transsexuals and transvestites as unnatural deviants. As a result, these individuals go through indescribable pain and mental anguish. Today on City Line, we'll meet such an individual, a person whose life was so difficult that in the end she was faced with two options suicide or a sex change operation. Sharon Davis chose to have a sex change, and today she's a happy woman, something she has always wanted to be collecting black memorabilia. It's turning out to be quite a pastime. I'm t manteo today on news Corp.. I'll have a close up look. Hi, I'm Howard Anthony. And today we'll take a look at a new video whose artist is best known to us as the co superstar of one of America's hottest television programs. Hold onto your seats, ladies, because Philip michael Thomas has just released a smoking video entitled Just the Way I Planned It and I have it planned. For today's edition of the Entertainment, Bates joins vacuuming as we hear Sharon Davis telephone of a struggle as a female trapped inside a man's body. We'll also discuss her book, A Final Specimen of Womanhood, which she speaks to those confused about their sexual identity. A transsexual speaks out. Up next on City on. Good afternoon and thanks for joining us for this edition of City Line. We'd like to start right off and introduce you to Sharon Davis. Sharon, thank you for being here. Thank you. Let me ask you, you know, as we get into this, I think it might be important to establish some things. And then in our open, our TS, we mentioned homosexuals, transsexuals and transvestites. You are a transsexual, correct? Yes, that is correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=3.15,133.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Have you ever considered yourself at any point prior to your becoming a woman or your fulfillment as a woman, as being a homosexual? Can you make that differentiation for us? No, because homosexuals are individuals that desire the same sex. Mm hmm. Whereas then in my transformation, I've always felt that I was the one female, and homosexuals could be male or female, but they want the same sex, whereas deliverance, content like that, I would have never went through my surgery. Okay. Let's go back to your childhood. At what point did the female in you start coming out? I practiced me when I was about eight years old. I began to have different feelings. What sorts of things did you experience? I mean, both. Both in terms of your own feelings as well as the way people interacted with you? Well, I knew that I was different from other individuals, other male individuals. That is. I never had the same desires. I always wanted my own style. I always wanted to be left alone. Very neat, very clean, just not rough at all. I think in your book you referred to at some point in your childhood or trading in your or your trade or something for a doll. I mean, how real was that experience and what was it like? Oh, it just made me feel different when I found someone that would make the trade. It's a girl around a corner. She says, Sure, I'll trade you my. I was like, Oh my God, I have a beaut of my own, but what am I going to do with it when I get home? You know? No, we said in the opening material that you were a woman trapped inside of a man's body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=134.37,232.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was that an accurate portrayal for you? Did you honestly feel trapped? Well, I like to use a statement as to I had to get my body in tune with my mind. My mind was always that of a female. I've always felt that way. And therefore, I felt a small correction had to be made. And that, of course, was with the removal of my male organs. Let me ask you something that may very well be a philosophical question. As a result of your saying you had to get the body in sync with the mind and in the reverse to be true as well. Do you feel that in the philosophical sense that perhaps God made a mistake? Definitely not. I'm the God never makes a mistake. I just feel that, for instance, like some people are born with six fingers and six toes. God gave the doctor's knowledge to remove this extra thing or two, and I feel the same way in my situation. And prior to your. As a matter of fact, some time prior to your surgical transformation, you had some hormonal studies done? Yes. And what did they show? That was my chromosome study that I had done. And it was at a gender identity clinic. It showed that my chromosomes had an imbalance of more female chromosomes than I did male. And that's what caused the imbalance, which stated that I should have been born a female. Was it torturous for you? Yes. As a as a young person, most definitely. Because individuals didn't understand. And when you don't understand something, you tend to snicker or laugh or poor things. That is to say, I've had my trying times. Did they talk to you? Occasionally? How did your family respond to you at the age of 13, 17, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=234.32,345.34"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did they handle your difference? Well, they were there for me. They never have asked me or anything. I was more or less like a stand by and wait and see situation as to what happens. Because, you know, in individuals in their adolescence, there's still growing and it's a possibility that one's mind might change or something of that nature. Did they hope that you would change? Well, no, not really. They've always been there for me, regardless of my lifestyle and my family, you know, you know, always be there for me. At what point or age did these feelings begin to manifest themselves in terms of your your dress or your actual carriage? When I was 13, actually 13, I used to go into the gas station bathrooms and. Glenn, just as a guy coming in as a female, have my clothes now just made 1913. Why would you why would you go into a gas station bathroom and do that? Why didn't you do it at home? Because I didn't feel as though my parents were ready for such. Not only that, I don't want to impose what I feel upon anyone. So if I could just go on and live my life and be happy and make everything easy, fine. Did they know that you were coming out of the gas station bathroom dressed as a female? No, but I've. They've heard. They've heard a lot of people see me and recognize me because a lot of people already say, well, you may look like a girl before the surgery, so. Okay. We're going to talk a lot more with Sharon Davis in just a few minutes. We're going to break away from this message. Stay with us. From your seat. Sitting nine. And we're talking to Sharon Davis, who is a transsexual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=345.94,521.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, when we opened the show, Betty had you to answer some questions about homosexual, transvestite and transsexual. But we didn't really clarify the difference between a transsexual and a transvestite. Right. Many individuals tend to get that terminology confused. A transvestite is a male individual that is dresses in female clothing for pleasure, sexual pleasure. Whereas, though a transsexual was that individual within heart, mind, body and soul, that of the opposite sex or feeling that they were in the wrong sex, that is. So a lot of people just parade around in women's clothes and a lot of people think, oh, they're gay or they're homosexual or they're transsexual, but they're not. They're just wearing these clothes for feeling. Now, so at the point at which you were going into the gas station bathrooms to change clothes, then you were a trans transvestite, is that correct? I was always a transsexual, always about because of the fact that I had these feelings about me being a female. That's what changed, is that I was never, ever content in male clothing so that the transsexual doesn't necessarily have had to have had an operation to be a transsexual. That your definition? That is correct. Then you're leading up to that. A transsexual is an individual that is in the process of going through hormones and challenges if that's necessary, and psychotherapy and psychological and psychiatric treatment leading up to their ultimate goal, which is the surgery in terms of your identity. At what point did you become Sharon? Well, if I must think back over those years and when I had my name changed. Is that what you want to know? When did you become start being known as Sharon? Well, I had a lot of friends that always knew me as sharing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=522.4,626.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was about 17. I wanted to because Sharon, I said I had to really get a name is going to fit my personality. And what what is incorporated in the name sharing that makes it you? Well, sharing I like to share with people. And when I hear their share and then their own own sharing, to share this knowledge that I have with other individuals. So at some point in your life, you decided I have got to make the physical change that puts me in sync with my spiritual self. That is great. When was that thing? I made that change long ago, but it didn't begin to come into reality until I was about 18. And I said, What was that? Tell us about that. When I was going to the public libraries, reading books and why not investors to other transsexuals that's had this operation? Christine Jackson She had an operation and I was trying to understand everything that she went through. And from there I began to search as doctors about hormones and what not and things this nature. Okay. We have a call waiting for you now. Someone wants to talk to you. I call her. Are you on City Line? Yes. I'd like to know if it was his peer pressure or guy who helped change him. You mean who helped make him make the decision to check decisions? Okay. Okay. First of all, it's no longer him. It's her. And she and God did see me through this because I have faith in myself as well as God and no peer pressure in the world to change me or anything of that nature. I thought this within the peer pressure only made me much stronger and more determined to reach my ultimate goal and let my feelings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=626.86,734.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And instead of carrying a crutch and crying about what people had to say, I use that negative criticism and turned it into constructive criticism to go forward. Thank you, caller. Okay, let's go to Beattie in the audience. Jack, you not only have, I believe a question or comment, but we also have a very interesting situation, you know. Sharon. Yes, I do. What point did you realize that you knew Sharon? When I saw her come in the studio. Yes. Well, I had a feeling, though, to be honest. To be honest, when I was told the name Sharon, I said, I know Sharon and I know Sharon from school. And when she came in as Sharon. Now, did you know Sharon as Sharon in school or Sharon as as Sharon As Roger As Sharon, I believe. Did you have any information that, uh, Sharon had to go through quite a bit to become Sharon? I guess I did. I had my own thoughts, but I never we never discussed it or anything, and I guess I did. And but I'm shocked and I'm pleased because Sharon is so beautiful and she's so warm, you know? Okay. But my my. I have a question, though, Shannon. I want I wanted to know, how recent did you have you gone through the change or did you have the operation? It's been since 1980 19. Yes. So that's been a while. You know, you say that you you're surprised and you're happy, but you look a little uncomfortable. You seem to be fishing for word. Are you uncomfortable with Sharon now? I No, no, no, not at all. Okay. Okay. But, Sharon, the meeting we follow up on that, do you find that often people are uncomfortable being around you now? Generally, they love it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=734.83,837.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Most people I talk to, they don't base me or judge me on my sexual identity. So long as I can perform the necessary tasks that I've set out to do in that environment, I have no problems whatsoever. Okay. We've got another call waiting. A caller waiting to talk to you. Hello. CALLER, you on City Line? Yes. I wanted to know as far as your family was concerned, when you, um, did you get much support from your family? Well, I've always tried to give my family respect, and I didn't want to push them overboard because I didn't want to push myself overboard as far as this research and whatnot is going on. Okay. But of course, now, today I'm over the borderline. So it's not that no one can say or idea. Okay, Now, over the borderline. Thank you, caller. Meaning what? Meaning that even if anyone had any disapproval as to what I'm doing, it's a little bit too late for that now. Is that okay? Okay. Back to me to another question. Yes, ma'am. Hi, Sharon. I wanted to know if you had many problems in elementary, junior high and high school. No, I had some problems in high school for a while there. Guys really like the me they took to me as if I was a female. Name is always. Why don't you start with your eyes at to start to your hands like this? What's wrong with you? And try to because they were uncomfortable. Yet I would find them saying I want you to come on my ass tonight. You attended high school as a male in terms of dress. No, I just more or less coordinated my clothing in the fashion that the unisex style, which would if you didn't know me, then you would have to think twice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=837.58,934.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Thank you. Now, so you. I noticed you corrected the first caller. She said him. Yes, that is correct. So you are no longer a him. Now we're really. I never was just physically there, okay? I was. But I've never been to him, ever. And for someone to say that now is more or less like trying to challenge me, you know, and I don't go around parading and the new trying to show what I have. I am a female. I'm sure there's a lot of men out there. It That's not me. Ask you another question. If we didn't know that you were once and your previous name was Roger Davis, is that correct? As much as I must admit it. Yes, it is. Okay. Okay. We did not know that you were once in name only, at least Roger Davis. And that you're now Sharon Davis. No one would ever know, really, with that? No, because I have had my birth certificate change, my Social Security card changed, my driver's license changed, and there is no other individual under that name existing. So you can climb from here to London. You still won't find that me. Do you find that women are intimidated by you because you are attractive, you are feminine, you're charming. Do you find women are intimidated? No. I get a lot of support from the biological female, gender. Of course, there's always that sneaky few guys that would do the little pranks and things of this nature. I call them Judy, because they betray you every now and then. Yes. Come on. You got to play. Okay. Let's see if we can take a another question from the audience member. Sharon, I would like to ask you, when you date males for the first time, do you feel a need to tell them that you have had an operation or a sex change? I do not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=936.68,1048.369"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think that I should have to because of the fact that I'm more or less equal, if not a little bit better than the next female that they may have been with, because everything is in working order. Okay. What we're going to do now, we're going to take a break and we're going to do we're going to find out about that working order and we're going to find out about the operation that enabled her to have things in working order. Stay with us. Now, here's this week's community calendar. Hello. My name is Paul Johnson. The ISA Community committee invites you to attend the 42nd annual Blue Ribbon Tea on Sunday, March the second at the Dunbar Community High School beginning at 4 p.m.. Dr. Levi Watkins will be the guest speaker and dinner will be served. Your personal contribution is accepted as a mission and will benefit the community service programs. For further information, call 3251165. Hello, my name is Ben Mason. The Douglas High School Alumni Association is sponsoring a scholarship fundraiser on Saturday, April 19th, from 9 p.m. to 1 a.m. at the Palladium, Drew Park Drive and Liberty Heights Avenue. All Douglas alumni are encouraged to participate in this event. The event is $25 per person. The proceeds will benefit the Douglas High School Scholarship Fund. For tickets and further information, call 6243513. If your group or organization would like to announce an event, please write us in care of Cityline. WJC TV Television Hill Bazemore Maryland 21211 Or call us for further information at 46600013. Between the hours of nine and five. We're back live speaking with a very happy Sharon Davis. But Sharon, you weren't always happy immediately before the the the surgery was done. Okay. You said there were some criteria you had to meet just to qualify for this kind of surgery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=1049.09,1357.26"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What kind of things were going on? Well, they have a criteria, which is that you must start on female hormones. And if you have heavy facial hair growth, you have to have that removed by electrolysis, which is permanent hair removal. Okay. And there's a lady I go to her name is O'Brien in Belle Cameroun, and she's very good and also does skincare for me. And after you go through all that, you need to see a psychologist and a psychiatrist to get evaluation and make sure you know what you're doing, because if not at the doctor, just ups and down, start doing this operation for people. And then you say, well, I don't want this, then you know, he's going to be sued for malpractice, which is a very, very serious situation. It's not just something that you just up and down. You do it because you want to and you can pay your money, get it done. It just doesn't work like that. Then you have to cross-dress, meaning cross-dress. It's apposite. If you're going to change the female, then you dress and that sex for six months to a year, which I did for many years. So that wasn't even a criteria at all for me. But in terms of your your mental state, I mean, it was it was the anticipation of creating a happy situation. What type of support to do? I was always frustrated and I cried and I talk to people about what I'm going to do, and they got so sick of me talking about it. They said, Don't say nothing else about it to get it done. So you were encouraged then? Helped build my mental positive attitude by them just putting me down. And she's constantly talking about this all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=1357.53,1443.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like I stand by my book, The Finest Specimen topic. I have a book. I write this book, this book. And now my book has been released by Vintage Press in New York. And everybody is like, Oh, you really wrote a book? You mean you really had a nerve enough to do that? That is the book right there up on the screen right now. Jackie, I believe, has a question to the audience. Right. We have a question. Sure. And I would like to know, how long did it take for the operation and how long did it take for you to be completely recovered? As far as able to move about. Okay. I'll answer a couple of your questions. But I don't give everything away because most of that's in my book. But what happened was they took five and a half hours in surgery, and I've never been in a hospital before for anything major surgery. And they had a hard time waking me up after they put me to sleep. Kept calling me and wouldn't wake up. So five and a half hours of that out of the recovery room back, I stayed in a hospital for two weeks, went home, stayed in a house for approximately maybe a month or two, thought I was better and wanted to get out, burned sick again, had to go back and have stayed for like three more months, approximately six months, I say. After my surgery I was well healed and everything. And then here's one follow up question. Okay. Also, I would like to know, have in the research in your family background, has there ever been what they call people hidden in the closet where they always felt like you and parents thought something was wrong and they were even they had to stay in a house or was turned into a mental institution? Well, they didn't happen in my case, but they say there's a skeleton in every closet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=1444.56,1547.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you just don't know the skeleton. So you don't know. But that is nice to know. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. We're also going to take some calls from home. And I believe we have one ready right now. Hello. You're on City Line. Go ahead, please. I would like to know, how does her family explain it to other people, to other other family members or other friends of her? And also, how would she want it explained to people and how would she want it? Understood. Okay. Okay. Well, then, if you just read my book. Okay. Again, my book explains everything. My family members don't have to explain anything for me because my book is out and it does all the explaining that there is. But any event that any of my family members are approach, then the only thing they have to say is why don't you talk to her about it? Because they are not inside of me off site. I try to get them to see what I'm going through psychologically and emotionally. Thank you for your call. Okay. You're welcome. Sharon, do tell me, how do you tell someone? I mean, you're out on a date. I assume that it's not something that you just come out and tell somebody the first time that you see them. At what point do you feel comfortable explaining it to them? How do you go about it? Well, why should I have to tell them? Would you want me to tell you if we were on a date? No. I'm asking. Do you feel you need to? And at what point do you feel you need to know? Well, if that ever arrives, then I generally go by my instincts. And I don't just tell the individual I'm a transsexual or something of that nature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=1548.48,1638.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just tell them I had corrective surgery. There's a certain sense of freedom now. Of course. Most definitely. And then if they want to know more, I tell them the same thing. Get my book later. Jackie. Okay, Here's a question. If you're so attractive as your love life, Thank you for asking. It's wonderful. It's always been beautiful. Never had too many problems because there are a lot of guys out there that even if they don't really care what you are about, they tend to be there for you. And I really appreciate that. And a serious question. What about your band? What am I changing? Well, I have a son. I had yes, I adopted a son. He's ten months old and he's sitting over there in a corner. And we're going to bring him on just a little bit later. But let me. She didn't ask child bearing, are you? Oh, no, not presently, I'm not. And I right now, I don't think there's a need for me to even go through that. Awful medical science is a wonder in itself. And you never can tell what the future brings about for anyone. Okay, so you're pulling for them? Yes. You needed a lot of support. Now you give a lot of support to others who are going through a similar type of situation. What sorts of things do you need to be told as this process is going on? There's a lot that takes place even after the operation where you got to know for yourself that this is what you want. No one can influence you because there's no turning back and you have to feel this within. You have to know this. And that would be very hard to see an individual make a drastic decision that they really did not want to do and regret the rest of their life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=1638.99,1737.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, Jackie, another question. Question. I would like to know how much did it cost to get all that done? Okay. Starting from pre-op to post, from beginning to finish, which I'm still not finished because like I said, I'm getting skin care now. Once in a while I may go back for a touch up of electrolysis. Are you happy with yourself? Yes, most definitely. In the amount of 25,000. Okay, Let me ask now. She's asking how much did it cost to get all of that done? We need to know what was all of that that was done. Okay. All the evaluations, the psychiatric evaluations and the counseling and the hormones, which are very expensive and going to the doctor back and forth. What about your physical process during the application of a woman to you as a man that now changes you into a woman physically? Well, it's hard for me to try to deal with that terminology, but I spend the best I can. When they took me into the hospital and they changed me dealing with my male organs, remove them from my body, and then created a vagina. As the females here today have, I began to go through a period of following. My body was going through a lot of shock, like I was missing a finger or something. Because when you lose a finger, an arm, you go your body goes to a shock about that. And that kind of happened to me for a while. But as I began to heal, everything was just going fine. So you no longer have male organs? That is so correct. And your female organs are now fully functional? That is correct. I have 100% feeling as any other female, that is, I'm able to reach a climax.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=1738.02,1833.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Okay. The the process after the operation are you had a physical change. What other sorts of things did you have to have done? I mean, it's not just a single procedure. There's much more electrolysis. What else? Okay, well, like I said, once you get the operation done, they can do it in two stages. One stage. The one stage is more popular because you don't walk around half man, half for me. You get everything taken care of. After that, you go for your final up treatments. There's a dilation period that you have to wear a dilator up inside of you to let the vagina heal properly because it could possibly close up during the healing process if you don't do this correctly. You have to take this bath. All of this is in my book and explains to you how you heal and what not. Then you go through whatever you want to get done. Like I'm working on my face now and my skin and I'm getting skin care. And my therapist. Ms.. O'Brien, like I said, she charges me so much an hour and she does a fantastic job. She scrubs my face, she says it cleans it, peels whatever it needs to help me keep myself together, because this is something that I won. Not trying to be better than any other woman, but we all should be the best that we're we are. Okay. We're going to come right back and continue our discussion in just a minute. Please stay with us. We're talking to Sharon Davis. And Sharon is a transsexual. And you wrote a book called A Finer Specimen of Womanhood. Correct. Now, I know you've been plugging it through this discussion. Why did you actually write the book? Well, because I want to help other individuals and their family members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=1835.4,2037.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There may be someone that has an individual in our family that experienced something that I'm experiencing, whereas though they don't know what they do, they can't go to a doctor because they're not going to say, Well, this person's crazy. They're not doing that anymore. They're trying to help them the best way that they can. So far, have you found that it has been helpful to those who are confused? And yes, it's helped a lot of family members. I get lots of letters in an event that anyone wants to write me, they can at P.O. Box 892, Edgewood, Maryland. The zip is two 1040. Or if you want my book, you can write Barnet's Press and New York. Okay. Okay. Betty? Yes, sir. Sharon, my question is, earlier in the show, we established the fact that God does not make mistakes. Is that correct? I'm glad, Jerry, that you heard me correctly. Okay. But yet and still, you said that you had to go through this because there was a female locked up inside of you and you had to bring it out. Well, if God doesn't make mistakes, then you were born with for everything that God created for you to have. But yet and still you changed it. And how do you feel about that? Well, I feel about what you're saying is being taken out of context, because as I gave you an example of an individual having six fingers to six toes. I wouldn't want my son walking around with six babies knowing everybody else in his room had five. I would take him to a doctor immediately and say, with the knowledge that God has given you doctors, please remove his finger so he can have a more comfortable life. That is my philosophy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=2038.15,2123.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I say, Judge, not the Derby, not just hear you without sin. Let him cast the first stone. So I let that be like that. Well, you know, there's there's no judgment cast that if you took it wrong and didn't take it wrong is just that I'm just merely throwing it out. Because a lot of times I meet individuals that say, Now, you did this, don't you think you're going to go to hell? Whereas though I said I prayed on my dying bed on the operating table, God, if I'm doing something wrong, let me die or forgive me and spare me. So if I did something wrong, then I say to those individuals who don't understand, seek a greater understanding in God and let me live my execution out. Now, if that be the case. Okay. God bless you. Thank you so much. I need all of his blessings. Let me ask you now about your love life. One of our members of the audience did ask, how is your love life? How is your love life? I mean, do you have an ongoing relationship, an established relationship? If you do, is it with a male? Most definitely. I'm not a lesbian, so therefore I wouldn't be messing with a female. Okay. Because I have with other females, I must establish that. Okay. And it's with a male and around me that I have other male friends. And as I said, there are supportive of me. And it's not just a sex thing. Like you had to wear a transsexual. I consider myself a heterosexual female, and it's just a normal relationship that any other male or female has. So you have a long term ongoing relationship? Yes, I did. Now, what about adopting the baby? So you made a conscious decision to adopt the baby because you could not bear children? No, it was because of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=2124.68,2228.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because if I wanted to, I could spend enough money and go and have something worked on. They're working on that now. Of course, they're not letting the public know until they get it together the same way they did with the test tube baby. They're waiting until they get this right and then they let the public in on it. I did this because a friend of mine. She was having problems and all, and I was there. So I said, okay, this is an opportunity for both of us. So, okay, we've got somebody very special that we're going to bring on right now. This is scary stuff. Oh, well. It looks like somebody wants to try to kick him out of here. You have had Cheryl since he was two months and he's now ten months. That is correct. A big reason. How does it feel being a mother? Feels great. It takes a lot of patience and understanding. Go through fears and whatnot. Do you think there will ever be a time you'll tell Sharyl the whole story? So I feel like now I'll tell you, I have no problem with that. I have no hang ups. Just the individuals that don't understand these things have a hang ups with themselves. Tell me, how do you think you might tell their this time if mommy had to go through small change and whatnot? And at that time it wasn't really that popular with the public, which will probably never be. You sound a little boy. Everybody thinks I'm a little girl. How would you be How would you react if at some point you felt something too much of what you went with? Oh, I just cry and be devastated. By most of all, I would be understanding he won't do anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=2228.57,2341.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure don't, because if he has some kind of feelings, we'll know intimate, very early things with that. That question is totally out there. What's in your future? What's my future? When I'm working on my master's degree right now in Human Services, I'm going to be counseling transsexuals and people that think they have problems with their gender identity. I want to help them and I'm going to write to to my life. Okay. Well, we at City Line appreciate your being with us today and. And we're going to take a break now. Come back to you and the news. Stay with us. Yeah, I. Good afternoon. Topping today's news cap. To some, it's a favorite pastime. Bordering on obsession. To others, it's just something that may have occurred naturally, evolving with the years. It is collecting black memorabilia. And we have a report to our town of good loving half. I have to say it well, a team captain now, but at 17 and 57 here have pointed out now he got 20 of it all the way back to having a 22 with 25 by five, he got the firing at 22 and 22. And by the number of those collecting black memorabilia in the Baltimore metropolitan area has escalated over recent years. Many people are finding that accumulated antiques, once viewed as junk, can easily be converted into sizable amounts of cash. Auction solely devoted to black Americana and black memorabilia to date have only occurred in and around the Baltimore Washington area. Items up for bid at these auctions include handmade rugs, ceramic dolls, movie billboards, extraordinary paintings, original prints, and many, many oddities exhibiting black Americana. For the most part, blacks have tended to shy away from collecting black Americana stereotypical characters, exhibiting exaggerated features such as large red lips, wide noses and enlarged eyes have been termed ugly and offensive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=2342.03,2549.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Many view these items as relics of racism, while some of them, I think, are sort of a stereotype and I know I don't like them, especially in the black items. So accentuate perhaps a large lips or the nose or not have many kitchen items, whereas the blacks are usually kept in the kitchen or as servants. I don't like items like that. Nevertheless, others continue to build their collections, believing that memorabilia is in fact a chronological history of a people. I've been collecting black prints for quite some time because to me the ones that I've collected are kind of chronological history of black people. I'm interested in obtaining some black memorabilia, particularly anything that that I can gather that pertain to my father, who was one of the original oldest models. It's something that I've always thought has been neglected. The history of black Americana, particularly in this country. So many of the people, particularly the black people, were in to black Africa and their heritage, but they've eliminated a lot of what the United States did commercially with blacks. Many items can be easily dated, thus illustrating the manner in which blacks were depicted in movies, artwork and print advertisements. As the popularity of collecting black memorabilia grows, so does the price of each item. Many collectibles originally costing pennies, now demand exorbitant inflated prices. I think it's a fad. I think a lot of people are into it and a lot of people are getting things and they don't know the value and therefore the price is going up and things are getting very scarce. Collecting black memorabilia is getting very hard because the prices have shot up. Rates realize that blacks want to collect some of their history, so the prices are almost out of sight and you could practically pick up something for two or $3 originally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=2550.81,2687.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now a plastic material is bringing more a higher percentage. Based on what I originally cost. An item which was sold for a dime or a dollar is now 25, 35, $40. If you are interested in starting your own black memorabilia collection, here are a few pointers. First, decide the purpose of your collection. If your collection is to be used solely for exhibition, you want to gather items of similar appearance and interest. This will generate greater visual impact. If your collection is to be used solely for resale purposes, you want to establish a specialty, thus creating a market for other collectors. Second, become knowledgeable about pieces you wish to purchase. This will ensure against overpayment. Third, never buy from a collector you don't know or are not familiar with. Far shy away from large market places. Prices here tend to be overinflated. Be sure to frequent auctions and antique shops. Not to mention trading with reputable collectors. Fifth, never buy an expensive piece of memorabilia on impulse. You may end up with a collectible that you are not able to trade or sell. And finally, before selling and after purchasing items, be sure to have them appraised by an accredited appraiser or curator in terms of historical preservation and esthetic beauty. Collecting black memorabilia can prove to be a very rewarding experience. If you are interested in attending a black memorabilia auction, simply contact local galleries for dates and times. Those galleries are listed in the Yellow Pages, and that is today's news. Cap I'm team on Tier more City Line up next. Stay with us. Hi, I'm Howard Anthony. And today, I'd like to tell you about a performer who's been singing and acting from the time he was four years old. Philip michael Thomas, costar of the famed television show Miami Vice is a 36 year old superstar and the father of eight children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=2688.5,2967.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a personal interview with one of the entertainment pages correspondents. Thomas said that he has no problems balancing his work and his family life, although he does wish he could spend more time with his children. Thomas added that the most important thing he could do for his kids was to teach them that the only limitations in life are the ones that you put on yourself. Thomas, a native of Columbus, Ohio, is one of seven children, and even while he was growing up in Los Angeles, he had dreams of becoming a singer and a movie star. He entered school talent shows and started acting in his church's theater group. At 15, he became the director of his church choir and had what he called an encounter with Christ. Thomas considered becoming a minister and received a one year scholarship to the Oakwood College in Alabama, where he studied religion and philosophy. After one year, he transferred to the University of California at Riverside. While there, he saw a production of hair and said, That's a very religious show and I want to be a part of that. Without any previous acting experience. He landed a role with a San Francisco acting company. And well, we know the rest of the story is Philip michael Thomas with his brand new video, Just the Way I planned it. It's been a long time coming, and that's really hard to find this one. Hi. I'm doing some special I. Which means no one. Yes, we have. Come on. Oh, we. Yes, she said we have more than I'd ever dreamed. And I'm one. That means so much to me. That's. No. A girl to catch. Just. He. Just. Just. Oh. The soul has never been free. Love is always happy to make my.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=2968.28,3152.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Just. In my fantasy. I'm like a child who likes the little girl who makes me laugh. And they just. Come on. We just. He's got his hand with them when they're done. John. That was Miami vice multitalented Philip michael Thomas with his video Just the way I planned it. I know you hated to see that one end, but in the future, you can look forward to the release of his album Living the Book of My Life, which is a part of his multimillion dollar deal with Atlantic Records, which also includes a $75,000 deluxe combination theater recording studio, an art center, and a Philip michael Thomas clothing line. Thomas left us with these words I want to be remembered for being a pioneer and a builder and an industry that I love. Well, I'm sure that a lot of you at home are sitting on some talent of your own. Well, if you have an act, but you need a stage or you're full of routines, but you need an audience, oh, the place can help. The annual street performers auditions will be held Saturday, March 15th and 16th from 11 a.m. till 5 p.m. and the Harbor Place Ampitheater. They're looking for musicians, jugglers, magicians, singers, and any other talented performers to join their group. For more information, call Laurie Fleishman by March 7th at 3324191. Also, the Pew Museum is now presenting an exciting new exhibit called Life on Pennsylvania Avenue. You can enjoy a collection of memorabilia from the Avenue, as it was nicknamed now through June 1st at 225 Holiday Street. This nostalgic view features an intriguing array of photographs, sheet music, souvenirs, advertising posters and fliers, plus a cutaway of a nightclub bandstand. For additional information, call the City Life Museum at 3963523 or 3961149.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=3164.97,3336.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finally, for the Love of Music is presenting the showcase of legends with special appearances by little Jimmy Scott and Baltimore's own Ruby Glover. Tonight at Godfrey's Famous Ballroom, located at 1770 North Charles Street. There are only a few tickets left, so you'll want to hurry and get yours now. For more information, you can call 9477910 or 46684060. And jazz lovers, keep in mind that Wynton Marsalis will be appearing at Ethel's place February 28th through March 2nd. For more show information and dinner reservations, Phone 7277077. And with that, I'll have to wrap up another edition of the entertainment page. I'm Harold Anthony, hoping I'll see you all next Sunday. Oh, bet Jack enjoyed that video. Well, I don't know why you would say that if you were dancing and sweating so much in the background. Just sit back and watch. I didn't know you would notice. You were glued to the tube, you know. I must admit, I am partial to Phillip michael Thomas. I don't know why, though. Okay. You didn't like that part where you took off your shirt, huh? No, I did not. Left. Nobody could see it that I loved it. But at any rate, I loved next week's show, too. That's right. We have a very special guest. Mr. Wynton Marsalis will be right here. Wynton Marsalis. In Living Color. Living Color. And you're in our studios. He'll be in town over the weekend, is going to stop and say hi. Yes. And we hope that you tune in to that show. It's worthwhile because it's not every day that we get a Wynton Marsalis. It's interesting, too, because Sitting Line was one of the few local shows that got Miles Davis. This is great. So you see, we're a biggie here, especially with the trumpet player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254#t=3339.32,3450.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105493/file/206254/transcript/48899/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. It's been a great show. Thanks for joining us. I'm Betty. I'm Jacqui Hall. Have a good, good Sunday. 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