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Welcome to City Line. I'm Jackie Hall. And I'm Harold Anthony. Her middle son, author Nat Turner to Write is a book that chronicles 14 years of articles for the Afro-American newspaper, and now it is published. Madeline Murphy is my guest today on City Line, the outspoken woman who square off and the woman Mitchell calls an agent of social change. And later on in our show, one of the all time greats of jazz, Grover Washington, will visit us and let us get to know him just a little bit better. So stay with us. City Line is next. And whether they are students, whether they are black or whether they are white or whether they are spoke about it was wrong for them to take over. You never Madeleine, doggone it, you wouldn't have your job today with HUD if it hadn't been for the students uprising in colleges. No man have it for all the demonstrations that came about. Nor would you, as a minority. I have my job because I perform well. Oh, boy. Oh, and if you believe that you're just as bad as Bryant Gumbel about the racing business, which, you know is a very big industry in the state. Well, it's going to hurt living. Well, still, they're earning their living, aren't they? They are still learning. They're living to tell people. I'm I'm for having affirmative action. And Laurel. Everywhere I look, there's not a black person taking in the money for the. You want to control the cars, You go to the horses. I've seen a lot of Black Hawks. Oh, my gosh. I think they ought to shot. Yeah. Well, our guest today is Madeline Murphy, who needs no introduction. Thank you. And thank you for coming to city life as an embarrassment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=59.48,179.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you for having me. This is how most people see you. And what they see is when you're off. Yes, but do you know I see people, black, white, indifferent, who come up to me and they say, I love the way you do X, Y, and Z. Of course, the ones that don't like you don't come near you. Let me tell you what some of the people said to me when I told them that you were going to be on the show. They said, Oh, no, she's too aggressive. She's too. This makes everything a racial issue. It is. Is this how of course, I look upon life that way. I couldn't try on clothes. When I came to Baltimore in 1945, I worked on the Citizens School Advisory Committee. That was a committee, so-called blue ribbon committee, that had all these people all over the city talking about the same things they're talking about now. But when when people see you, they think that you're angry. Are you angry? Yes, I'm angry, but that doesn't mean I'm not happy. Sometimes I also have a normal life, but I'm angry about what's being done to us. And we don't seem to know when we're insulted. We don't seem to know when we're being put down. We don't seem to know as a group of people that if together we worked together, we could accomplish a whole lot more and not have 50% of youth in the inner city unemployed. That angers me. It frightens me now. But why? Why does it frighten you? It frightens me because they're our future. Either they wind up in city jail or they're on the street as homeless or they're full of dope. We need young people of all colors to progress in this country because we're becoming a second class nation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=181.42,287.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Japan is far outreaching us in education, in in industry and all those things. West Germany is doing the same thing and we are becoming a second class nation because of our attitudes towards each other. Because if we work together, we'd have better education. Why is it that you can see this and it appears that others don't see it, or at least they're not buying your message? Oh, I don't know whether I'm the only one or that I'm among the few. I've just been fortunate, Jacki, to be able to be outspoken and to be free in the sense that I always had a husband who supported me. I didn't depend upon anybody to give me my meat and beans. And I can understand where others, blacks who are in these kinds of positions find it difficult to speak up. But the point is, as an old community organizer as I was, you have to band together to do these things. So you had the luxury of being able to speak out without any repercussions whatsoever? Well, I had repercussions politically. They were many things I might have wanted to do, but I had made so many mayors and council people and all that sort of thing angry. I'll give you an example. I ran for city council in 63, and then I asked Mayor McKell and to appoint me to the Community Action Commission. And there was the biggest four star, or what do you call the Star Chamber examination of me in front of the whole city council four days. And Dominick Leoni, who was our representative in city council, one of them said, well, she's got her nerve. She ran against me. Was she? Does she think I'm going to have her on? But I organize the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=288.88,390.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this is and the community came out in favor of me and he got so upset, he called me up. He said to Madeline, he said, What am I going to do? But I got a bushel basket of telegrams. I said, Don, just reverse yourself. And it's in. Nobody know the difference. And he did. We're going to talk about your community activism. But what I want to get into is why? How did you get. Started and been such an outspoken person. What was it in your background, in your your home? Oh, well, my mother my mother was outspoken and my father would sit in the chair as she'd go out the door. He'd watch her, first of all, coming down the stairs because my mother dressed like nobody's business. She was a real fashion plate all the time. And he positioned himself to watch her come down the stairs. And as she go at the door, he said, Give him hell, Muj, that was your nickname. And he knew that she would. And my father helped to form the first teachers union and on threat of being fired from his job in Wilmington, Delaware. And so I grew up in a very volatile household. But I understand, though, that that there was also a great many opportunities for you and your family at that time, too. Well, I one of it based on the whole issue of color. Yes, yes, yes. Well, in those days, you know, you in order to go to movies, you'd pass for white if you could pass. And we did that. And it really was a wrenching kind of experience. And when I got married and went downtown and realized what black people go through because there were spotters in the heck company, you couldn't go upstairs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=391.6,495.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You go in the basement to shop, you couldn't shop and hold your cone, you couldn't try on and all that sort of thing. I said, Now I've got to take a stand. And so I had one of the first sit ins, I think, in any department store, because I went up to Who's your current and try to try on this beautiful angora beret. And I'm crazy about berets. And the manager wouldn't of the hat department wouldn't let me try it on, but I put it on anyway. And I asked her what was she going to do after I put that on. And so then I went upstairs. I asked her who the manager was and went upstairs to see the manager, and I had to sit there for an hour and a half before he would say this was the beginning and this was the beginning. And then in my community, in Cherry Hill, also, Pinkett, who was the manager of the housing project, needed volunteers to screen people for TB. And I said, Well, I'm not doing anything. So I went up and did it and I started getting involved in the community. Let me ask you, as we as we look at your background, what are some of the things that people misunderstand about you, the people who say that you're you're hostile or aggressive or whatever? Well, I they misunderstand. Oh, I love being called aggressive. I don't mind that. They don't misunderstand. They don't misunderstand that. Don't misunderstand about. But that I also have an I have a nature that is very near nurturing of children. I love children. I work in a in a school as a volunteer once a month. I enjoy the housewife things of cooking and knitting and gardening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=495.96,589.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I mean, I'm an all around person and I think I've got a great sense of humor, so. Okay. Well, we're going to hear more about not only the sense of humor, but some of the other things that Matt and Murphy's about. As we talk about. Madeline Murphy speaks her book in just a moment. I'm back talking to Madeline Murphy about Madeline Murphy speaks the book that she has just published. And I'll tell you, it's chock full of a lot of information from A to Z. Actually, it's. It's a lot more detailed and complete than than I thought it would be. And I must admit that in reading the preface to the book, There's Something in Here by Parren Mitchell, who said introduction in your introduction that you are totally intolerant of ignorance. Is that accurate? Yes, that is. My kids can attest to that. Yes. I think that as long as you begin to learn to read and write, you can do practically anything. But you've got to learn how to read. And I think people lose an awful lot if they don't know how to read. I think they they miss the whole world when they don't learn how to read. And then it it escalates as they get into high school. If they don't get the love of the written word, then they can't function as normal human beings. They can't learn what's going on in society. What are some of the other things that you're intolerant of as you look around and you read and you travel and you've been to Europe several times and so forth. I'd rather not say I'm intolerant because that puts me in a more arrogant posture than I'd like to be put. I may be arrogant, but I don't think I'm that arrogant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=590.67,766.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I want people to treasure what they have, and I want to want black people particularly to treasure their history. I am particularly concerned about black urban professionals, and they call them puppies who are only interested in the material side of life and are not interested in developing their own communities, developing themselves, or even even being good educational role models for their children to begin to learn how to enjoy their children. I remember when we lived in the project and my husband's relatives came to visit us one Sunday unannounced. I was sitting on the floor with my children, cutting out paper things and coloring, and the floor was a mess. And of course, I got the reputation for being an awful housekeeper. And so I wasn't hurt so much as I was that these people, one of whom was a teacher, didn't understand what it was about when you had little children, preschool children. And we're helping them to function, helping them to draw, helping them to cut to helping them to be creative. But you've helped people in your own community and in the Baltimore community in general in terms of your activism, right? Well, I was a social worker for the Cherry Hill Community Presbyterian Church for ten or 11 years. And we had literacy programs. We had youth programs, career programs, We had a political education. We had a six week course and had how to organize a precinct and how to go about becoming a candidate for public office. For you, that's at the core of change, isn't it? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. But then I think monitoring is it is the follow up. What do you mean? I think once you elect people to public office, you don't leave them alone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=767.17,885.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You write them, you visit them, you nag them, you talk to them about your interests, and you make them aware that they have a constituency that must be answered to or else they're not elected the next go round. And I think we spend too much time just keeping in the incumbents and not getting a scorecard. And this is for black and white anybody. We don't pay attention. And of course, I think that shows itself in the apathy in the presidential election when it's about 50 or 60% of the not even that came out to vote for president. And then they call it a mandate. How can it be a mandate? But let's try to look at some of the issues that you cover in here. And there are quite a few in this 300 page book that you've read, 400, 400 plus and 400 plays that you've written. And I want to just do a kind of a lightning round to get your feelings about a lot of things. Poverty. I'm just going to throw them out. I'd like your response. Well, I don't think poverty is necessary in a democracy if we believe in the Bill of Rights. I don't think that with our resources in this country that we should choose between guns or butter. I think that when you look at the new budget, $300 billion that is going to rise to maybe 10 billion by the end of the year because it's the only item in the budget that factors in inflation where services and domestic programs are not factored in. Okay, let's try black on black crime. I think black on black crime is not a simplistic. There's not a simplistic solution to it, and I'll tell you why. I think there is a rage in the black community that nobody wants to pay attention to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=886.12,996.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a rage of past ills of ills going on now of people not caring. And as a result, the rage evinces itself in crime. Now, there's a Dr. Brenner at Johns Hopkins University that talked about the pathological results from crime, and he said from from poverty. And he says that you find incidences of high blood pressure, alcoholism, cirrhosis of the liver, renal disease or other problems. All these problems come as a result of poverty. Okay. Let me ask you about black leadership today. Let's say locally, I think black leadership is still scared. I think the leadership that we have today doesn't actually believe it's in the driver's seat when you've got 60% of the population black. I think more things could be done that aren't being done. Let's talk about some people quickly. Mayor Kurt Schmoke. I think Kurt Schmoke is a tech technocrat. I think his his heart is in the right place. But I'm going to tell you, if I were mayor, I would not put it on the benches. Baltimore is a city that reads I would say Baltimore is the city of Mayor Kurt Schmoke. And then under it is small letters. It is also the city that reads, because I think that unless you touch your own horn in politics, people forget you. I look at Sawyer in Chicago who just lost and he did a lot of good things, but he didn't do it his horn. Governor Schaefer Well, let's pass. Go on to something else for a minute and think about that. Jesse Jackson. Jesse Jackson, I think, is is the is the harbinger of greater black political political involvement on the presidential level. Governor Schaefer, I think Governor Shaver's playing his own game. I saw him with the soda cans on his hat this morning, and he's a he's a booster of the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=997.5,1115.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's a booster of the city and he's a booster of big, big business. Okay. I wish we had an hour to complete our discussion with you. And I don't I'm not even sure that we would finish it even then. But a lot of this and even more is contained in Madeline Murphy speaks an accumulation of the writings of Madeline Murphy during her time at the African-American newspaper. We'll take a break and come back with the community calendar. So stay with us. Thank you, man. Your. I spoke to the. So. He, you say? So and so some of the things that. They always say to me that someone. There's much more city lined to come. As a matter of fact, one of the greatest jazz musicians in the world, Grover Washington, will be joining us in a very few minutes. Stay with us. And sometimes they say. Talking about paying dues. He is a guy who, as a stock clerk, helped to unload albums with his own name on it. I'm speaking of none other than Grover Washington. Takes a lot to make him tick, as you'll see in this interview. When I was coming up. You had to be a complete player no matter what kind of gig you got called for, or there's a wedding or a big band getting a trio gig, a blues gig, everything had to be right. Every tune is a story and they have a feeling and a mood all of its own. In my musical education, I've always listened to all kinds of music. My father was a saxophone and it was all kinds of music playing in the house all the time. So we had developed a healthy respect for classical music as well as contemporary music, as well as jazz, as well as third stream.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=1116.15,1353.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there ever a time in your career when you thought you wouldn't make it? Well, sure. There's you know, there's there's always those times that you have self-doubts being being prepared to take advantage of an opportunity when it arises because you never know what is going on. You know, you just never know when it's going to happen, you know? So you have to be ready. You have to be prepared and you have to have the right people around you, you know? I can't say enough about the voice of the folks that I have. I'm not just talking about my band. I'm talking about my wife. My wife, Christine, who's who's my partner. My kids are my mom and dad. Everybody that is given support, you know, whether it's just hang in there or not saying, why don't you get a real job, you know, or you can do it. Just just play with it. Or when they say that's that's not up to your standards, do it again. You know, you need that. You know, everybody needs that, like in some way, shape or form. And with that kind of help or with those kind of friends and there is nothing I can do. You say that generally when you play a different town, you like to find a talented group and play along with them just to keep your hand on the court. Sure. Sure. You know, you you want to meet some of the people that that live in that town. You want to cultivate friendships. You like to find groups that have been around for a long time so that you can learn things from them. But then I also learn things like from younger groups have just started to play together, you know, And every time you stress stress the basics of music, you always find that you learn something that you didn't focus on before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=1354.7,1473.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is that what happened basically with pieces of a dream with you? Well, yeah, I, I tried to follow my first instincts, you know, and I just realized that they they needed to be heard then, not after they spent, like four years in college. You know, they were real young guys. Like, they were like, 16, 17, 18 years old. And they were playing like they were like 35 years old, you know, with a lot of experience. And I guess they reminded me of me when I was that age, you know? But I was lucky, like to have someone that I could ask questions to and would would help me for making a lot of mistakes that the other musicians made, which which cost them time and time. Because your best ally or your worst nightmare, especially in the music business, you sound almost as though you're a young musician. Still hungry. I mean, does that ever stop? Yeah, it never stops. You know, with with the music, learning something new about music, learning something new and better, expressing yourself is is what really keeps you looking. And it keeps your ears open to all kinds of influences, which is very important because once you close your ears, you have stopped growing musically and probably stopped growing as a person. If you are willing to stop to accept any kind of constructive criticism or or any kind of suggestions from other people. And without giving too much away, what can we expect from your next album? We are still getting a lot of very good material. So so the the whole script isn't written yet, you know, So expect the unexpected. Well, you definitely got a lot of friends here in Baltimore. I, for one, hope that you never go out and get a real job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371#t=1474.3,1586.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105615/file/206371/transcript/48973/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much for spending some of your time with me. Hope success. Follow you wherever you go. Thank you. Good. Musically, Jack Grover Washington scores a ten with me. How did Mallet score with you? I think Madeleine Murphy speaks scored a 15. Wow. What do you have to do next week? Next week? It's that time of the year tax tips. And for me, Vicki Warren's that gospel. Great. Make it a point to be here. I'm Harold Anthony and Jackie Hall. Have a good, good Sunday. You say you don't. It. And in some. And sometimes this. There's so much space. 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