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But, you know, there's so many of those things that follow human life that is just quite remarkable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=9.389,32.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So they really are, like, I mean, I guess it's very hard not to get attached to them when you're out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=33.33,38.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, of course it is. I mean, they are, it's very difficult not to get attached. They are fantastic animals, and you know, when you watch the individuals, I mean, it's sort of like a soap opera, really, because they do silly things, just like humans do, and they, you know, they sort of play tricks on each other, and they chase each other, and I mean, it's really great fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=38.71,63.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do name them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=64.75,65.209"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, in some of these areas where they've been studied for a long time, they have individual names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=65.91,70.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The torches are coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=71.97,72.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, when you have spent time in one of these populations, take Amboseli in Kenya, which has been studied now for the last 15 years, they know the scientists. They know the cars. They get very close to the cars. If you take the same cars into an area like Savo, you can't get within 200. you know, feet, 300 feet of these animals, I mean, then they start running away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=76.15,106.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e because they know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=107.24,107.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e because they know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=107.85,108.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e they're able to make the distinction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=108.74,109.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Well, they're afraid of cars, they're afraid of human beings. Period. And then they start running away. I mean, you have to watch them in binoculars and telescopes, whereas in Ambosela you can sit there with your blue eyes, you know, and just identify and look at the animals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=109.82,125.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do they protect each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=127.08,128.039"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, they do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=128.53,128.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e when the approaches are there, I mean, how does that hierarchy work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=129.289,132.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's typically the babies that are being protected by their mothers and their sisters. They sort of group around them and protect them that way. 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I mean, the government operations are also using semi-automatic rifles to shoot these animals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=155.94,174.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you deal with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=176.36,177.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e not very well uh... no it's it's uh... it's a horrible it's a horrible feeling","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=178.01,184.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now did that seem okay to you because it was a government, I mean does that make it okay? Is there, what's the distinction there? Obviously they're not as endangered as they're going to be calling them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=185.69,196.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they are not. Well, yes, I mean, I try to be reasonable. I try to understand what's going on here. I mean, if you ask me as a person, no, I don't think it's OK. I don't like any killing. I don't think any elephant should be killed. But I'm very much prepared to be pragmatic as well and look upon it from an African point of view and in a to like Simba way. where they've been able to protect their elephants, they have increasing populations. The habitat there, the range is very fragmented, and therefore can only carry a certain number of elephants before they start destroying the bushland. A number of other species are dependent on the same bushland. So we're talking about protecting an ecosystem and other species that really are dependent on the same kind of habitat. If you allow too many elephants in such an area. is just destroyed, and you push the other species out. So I'm also a biologist, right? 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Has that made a dent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=271.36,287.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it has, yeah. We have now a much better database than we had before about who is involved in the trade, who moves the trade, how much is being moved by these individuals. And now where we are approaching, hopefully, a worldwide ban on the ivory trade, that sort of knowledge is more important than ever. Clearly, you cannot take demand for ivory away from one day to another. There's a huge demand out there. and bans just per definition don't work, so we will have to really be on our toes after such an international moratorium takes effect. And knowledge about who moved the ivory just before is very important for following the black market trade afterwards. Clearly a lot of ivory will move underground, and we can only follow that using our knowledge about who's involved in the trade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=288.58,342.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that rewarding for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=343.47,346.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it is. Of course it is. I mean, I'm doing this because I like animals, and every time I... help these species to survive in their environments and will help people as well. It's very rewarding to me. But on the other hand, I've been doing this for 15 years now and during those years I've seen, most of the time I've seen animals going down and down and down. And last year I witnessed my first extinction, a parrot, a species of parrot that I had been working on for a number of years. you know the last few that we were trying to protect in in in brazil were taken by trappers that was the end of that species so find that there are rewards sure they're small victories but in in in the big picture uh... it's going down and it's going down for the big animals in particular the large uh... terrestrial animals are declining all over i mean take our own national parks in the states you know we have the black bears being poached this is the best best national park system in the world there's more dollars going into every square mile in in the states and anywhere else in the world and yet we cannot keep the poachers out i mean these guys are moving in shooting the black bears, just for their... gallbladders because that is used in traditional Chinese medicine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=347.07,431.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what you do is pretty, if you think about it, I'm sure the long plane rides and seeing the hacked bodies and that sort of thing isn't very romantic, but what you do is romantic. I mean, you're a man trying to save a beast, you know, a gentle beast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=432.54,448.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There are a lot of men out there shooting them who find that very romantic as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=449.34,452.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, do you, is it true that elephants have a concept of death more so than any other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=455.53,463.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it appears that way. When you see them finding relatives dead in the bush, when you see them walk towards skeletons of elephants, it certainly appears as if they have a concept of death. I mean, they will go and stand and hang around these dead colleagues. They go and turn the bones around, you know, smell the bones. We have seen them, you know, if you take some of these bones that are well known to them and move them somewhere else, we have seen them go really sort of all confused if these old bones are not there. If they find them, they'll try to move them back and you know, it certainly appears as a concept of death, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=464.03,513.409"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To you, what's a more urgent issue? The cruelty of how the elephants are being treated or the actual threat to their extinction? I mean, of their extinction. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=514.309,527.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think when we talk about the elephant as a species, the most urgent issue here is the destruction of the social structure within the herds. We are destroying the families, we are fragmenting these populations in a way never seen before, and we are leaving back an animal which is not really the same species any longer. I mean, we have destroyed a very significant part of the essence of that species. and it's a new species we're dealing with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=527.37,559.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What else can I ask you about what you've been doing, your work in Africa that we haven't touched upon? We really haven't talked that much about it. Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=560.92,570.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that was the stuff we talked about in the first interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=571.46,574.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it? Because a lot of it was... 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So there's no continuity with what you showed the first time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=577.24,598.34"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e special effects. Right. Why have you? dedicated yourself to this project so incredibly, so wholeheartedly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=601.2,612.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well I've been working on wildlife issues and I mean I was a keen bird watcher already when I was twelve and I was brought up that way and you know I was brought up in Europe in a magnificent area called the Wadden Sea and with some huge tidal flats where I spent a lot of time in my childhood just watching birds and I had horses so I spent you know I had a good childhood in that sense. I always lived with animals. and decided very early on that I would become a biologist and do international work, work in developing countries. I think it's a fear of not being left sort of lonely, I mean I want very much this world to have great diversity, to have these species that I love, you know, I would very much like other people to feel the same things I feel, the same happiness when I watch animals, when I spend time with animals, I mean I would like people to have the same opportunity. We cannot all have that opportunity, I realize that, but there are a lot of species I have never seen. I mean, I've never seen a blue whale, but it still gives me a very strong sense of not being alone or not being in an imparished world, that that blue whale is still out there in the ocean. You know, that thought that we have this wonderful, huge creature in the ocean is a wonderful thought to me. And I hope that a lot of people think the same about elephants, even though they may never see them. And I know they do, because we have received a tremendous response, of course, to our elephant conservation campaign here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=617.07,728.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So maybe you're doing what a lot of people wish they could do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=729.79,732.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, taken from some of the correspondence I get here, all we get at World Wildlife Fund is that there certainly are a lot of people out there who would like to be involved in wildlife but just don't have the opportunity, and that's sad. I mean, we're trying to perhaps bring it into their living rooms by some of the work we're doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=732.81,752.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Obviously you never think this consciously, but in a way, is it playing God? I mean, you're really trying to affect populations, animals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=755.73,764.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think so. I mean, God played once, right, and the species are here. I mean, we're destroying the ecosystems. I mean, I'm just trying to keep something alive that was created, you know, a long time ago. And I'm not really playing God, I don't think so. I mean, these species out there are just... I mean, they can't talk to us, and they need somebody to talk for them. I mean that's sort of the only role I've played. I play. It's not God. I mean, he played already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=765.13,797.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It must be gratifying, finally, for the bands to be coming through and for this public awareness to become effective. Is it, in fact, gratifying to think it's going to make a big difference?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=798.71,812.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, it's very gratifying now to see the entire world very much expressing their sympathy for elephants. I mean it's not just elephants as a species. When we protect the elephant, we're talking about protecting an ecosystem because so many species are dependent on the elephant in the savanna, in the forest. So it's not just that species. I mean we have the whole world now basically. interested in African issues, which I hope will help African people as well. It will give more money to Africa, that sort of thing. And that is very gratifying. This whole snowball effect with governments just jumping on the bandwagon wanting to be amongst the good guys, you know, helping African elephants is fantastic. It's just I've been doing this for so long now that I'm sort of tired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=812.55,866.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But other people are just kind of getting aware. What can we do? What can people do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=868.35,871.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well obviously they can support Africa more than they have done. That can be done through World Wildlife Fund. It can be done directly to their number of organizations in Africa that need help. They can simply be an educated consumer. We're not talking just about buying ivory and elephant products. There are a lot of wildlife products out there. for sale and every time you go and buy a new belt, you know, think about what sort of species was used to produce that belt. It could be a caiman, it could be a snake, not all of them are endangered and it's not all bad to use wildlife products, but be educated about it. I mean, think before you buy. And that applies to ivory, don't buy ivory, but think about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=873.41,922.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and we're getting tired. Two more questions. Number one, do you ever encounter people who are buying Ivory and they just won't listen? Have you ever run into that? People who are just plain ignorant or, I mean, have you ever come into that scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=924.19,937.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Only sharp owners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=938.16,938.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What are your dealings with them like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=939.92,941.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I've interviewed a lot of importers in the States and shop owners here. And they are now changing their opinion about things. But just a couple of years ago, they're very offended to the whole issue and wouldn't really. hear about the tragedy in Africa. I mean, they felt that they were buying their ivory legally in a legitimate way from Hong Kong, and that was it. So to come in there and tell them that it takes a dead elephant to get that bracelet, they were just not open to that. They realized at that time that they had not been following the trends and therefore had not changed to other products. So I was a threat to their livelihood, you know, I was there to in their eyes to shut down their business","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=944.12,996.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But you've never had that kind of confrontation with a consumer. I mean, you're not about to, though, accosting people and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=997.71,1002.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But then I spend more time in Africa than I do here, so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1001.9,1004.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you get the same kind of attitude from the traders, or you're there for a different reason than the traders? So that's a difference. All right. Finally, what are you going to continue to do, or what next? What are you going to do personally to see to it that the population replenishes? What's next for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1005.63,1022.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there always is a great danger with an international ban on moratorium and that is that people regard it as a victory in itself and that people then move on to the next species and the next ban and I fear that will happen for the elephant as well. I mean, really, the real conservation work starts when we have that ban. The killing will continue for some time, no doubt about that, but we need to rebuild these populations. we need to rebuild wildlife departments in Africa. and help them, because if we don't do that, the incentive will still be there to continue the killing. So more than ever, we need support for Africa, for wildlife departments, for programs in the field. So don't go on to the next species. I mean, keep supporting the elephant the way we have seen it over the last couple of months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1023.03,1076.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you miss the elephants? Are you looking forward to going back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1077.3,1078.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I always do. Oh, a big chunk of my heart is hidden somewhere down in Africa and I'm always going down there to find it again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1080.64,1087.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it like a reuniting when you get back there? Or is it just, is it home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1089.45,1093.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Only, no, it's not home but it's, well it's, I mean the African sky is a good friend of mine and there's nowhere else in the world where you have that beautiful sky and I miss that a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1093.83,1109.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Notice the way you're clutching that. Does it bother you to hold the tuff plate? No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1110.94,1113.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not at all, not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1113.46,1114.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e even though, even though that's a, represents a development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1115.11,1117.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, when you think about it that way, but really ivory, I mean, gives you a very good feeling. I mean, it's a very nice product. It heats up very well, so if you sit with it like this, it's sort of, it's nice and almost soft. It just gives you a nice feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1118.52,1133.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How can you talk about its pluses when it's got so many negatives, I guess?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1134.13,1138.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Only because I'm thinking about Africa and elephants right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1138.65,1141.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So I guess a certain amount of ivory is okay, right? I mean, I guess, like you said, they're gonna call them anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1147.79,1153.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Elephants die from natural causes. And if the trade was only based on ivory from natural mortality, sure, no problems. And in fact it makes sense to allow the elephants to die from natural causes because the older the elephant gets, the denser is the tusk. I mean, the volume of ivory is much greater from an old animal than from a baby like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1155.52,1181.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Are they less hollow also?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1181.84,1182.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, the part of the tusk which is solid is much, much greater than on a baby like this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1183.61,1192.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, what's something like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1193.33,1194.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they're about two kilograms here only. So that's about $400, which is the highest price ever. We've never seen prices like this before. And now, anticipating a ban, the industry is likely to push the price even further through the ceiling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1197.08,1216.86"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's 400 US dollars. To a poacher, what's he likely to get?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1217.41,1220.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e $10, $20.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1224.41,1224.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's the traders that you were dealing with who actually make all the money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1227.81,1231.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh my. Oh yeah, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1230.83,1231.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you want to do anything with, I mean, I think that his... If you could just hold it like you were holding right there. It was bent up the other way. Yeah, right there. I'm just going to... I think his demonstration, you were right when he was showing it to us. Yeah, I've got all that. That's probably more dramatic than laying him out on a table anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1233.58,1249.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that looks so boring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1250.65,1251.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sure there's plenty of shots of tusks and that sort of thing in the program also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1253.37,1257.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you have some of that footage, don't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1257.45,1258.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e promotional photos, but I'm sure when you can","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1260.04,1262.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You can get more they have a tape","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1262.01,1264.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e 13 yeah, we do have a 13 minute tape. Yeah, we're sort of longer sequences. Could you show me the hollow in please? That really is really, uh, it's an incredibly dense, uh, dense object.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584#t=1265.15,1280.06"}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267584/transcript/77541/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/541/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-045-002_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308643","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/541/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-045-002_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308643"}]}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267585","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - open-uri20250314-1605153-4d5dfh.mp4"]},"duration":1302.186,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/267/585/small/open-uri20250314-1605153-4d5dfh_1741977649.jpg?1741977649","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267585/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267585/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-marmia.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/267/585/original/open-uri20250314-1605153-4d5dfh.mp4?1741977647","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":1302.186,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144758/file/267585","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[]}]}