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We'll talk about that in a moment. But first, we're going to talk about presidential polls. In the last couple of weeks, you've seen in the papers this poll. In that poll, it was neck and neck between Bush and Dukakis. Now, some polls predicting a landslide for Bush. Tonight on squared off. We ask those of you at home and those of you on the square off panel, do you think that these presidential polls help or hurt the election process?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=72.58,101.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter Waldron The polls hurt the process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=102.28,105.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Linda Chavez I don't think the American people care about the polls. I think they care about the candidates. And the polls simply reflect what they see in those candidates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=106.39,113.86"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e SNOWDON The polls obviously help the process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=114.49,116.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And Alan Christian, I think they hurt Richard Poles create poll suasion that undermines the process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=117.07,122.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, talk about persuasion and school violence tonight as we wear off. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to square off Saturday night, 730. I'm Richard Share. How are you? We will get to the school violent issue. We talked about that the violence last Saturday night. It seems like a repeat but there were a couple of more shooting incidents during this past week, emergency meetings and so forth with the task force and with the mayor. We will get to that. But first, persuasion and all these polls. Aren't you tired of them or are you not tired of them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=123.04,156.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But your let's take a look at what we're doing here. We're sampling a few hundred people and we're saying this reflects the attitude of more than 200 million Americans. It's one of the biggest sucker games we've ever created. I've never bought it. I never will buy it. And yet we quote these polls on news broadcasts and print them in the paper as though they truly reflect American sentiment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=156.66,177.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e And they do. The fact of the matter is that when we look at the national polls, particularly national polls that are done by credible polls, they are in a position to be able to reflect the sentiment of the American people on a given issue at that time. Carlisle One more quick point. The fact of the matter is when you really look at the polls, particularly now, the crazy thing about them is how accurate they are. The polls have been seldom wrong, and that's the thing that's frightening. If the question was should they be polls because they affect the way we think, I would be the first to pose them. But on the question of whether the polls are accurate, there's no question they are accurate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=178.38,213.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Karl, I disagree with you completely. I think if you go back over the past several presidential elections, you'll find that they could not accurately predict what happened. And then afterwards, we have all of these pollsters explaining why they were wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=213.75,226.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And by and large, they did accurately predict they error within a margin of error, 3 to 5 points depending on the size of the sample they use. But I think that we're sitting here talking about the polls. I think the average American could care less. I don't think they read those stories. I don't think they listen to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=226.89,241.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e They don't think they're all influenced by those voters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=241.23,243.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I disagree with that completely. I think they do. I think they are influenced by them. I have heard people look at a poll in a newspaper and say, gee, so-and-so is way out in front. And so that really is a true indicator of what's going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=244.5,257.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But it doesn't but it does not affect the way they think they respond to the can is I'll tell you who it affects. It affects the candidates. And when the candidates are behind, the candidates begin to do things sometimes desperately, which I think then can affect the way they're perceived by the voters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=257.55,271.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe it's effective when one, in fact, is looking into how to sell peanut butter and jelly. But I believe that we have been inundated with a number of polls that have undermined the effectiveness of a poll. We have too many polls where poll to death and as a consequence, they lose its impact and its importance. As we get closer to the election. It undermines the process as people just begin to say to themselves, the election is over. There's no reason for me to vote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=271.95,294.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter, you make it sound like selling American presidential candidates is not selling a product. In fact, that's exactly what's occurring in the American political body that we have to politic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=294.57,304.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You're not suggesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=304.86,305.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I'm not saying it's right. It's what happens. There's no question that in this day and age, when we look at this presidential race, we're just selling a product. Nobody's talked about, for example, George Bush as the CIA director and what his involvement may have been in 1976 of 77 during Angola War. Nobody's talked about Michael Dukakis very much in terms of actually focusing on his environmental record. What we have is a lot of cheap shots and our slick commercial programs put together by both sides.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=305.52,335.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In my opinion polls serve only the media in that they're able to maintain a certain hype for cycles. Up until the election. You take out the polls, what was what NBC, ABC, Wall Street Journal and USA Today going to talk about? If you take out who's leading on issues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=335.43,348.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Issues, that's what they all talk about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=349.57,350.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in fact, the media, I think, is the most destructive force in terms of discussing the issue of any force in America that candidates want to discuss issues. I think it's a lot easier for reporters to talk about who's on first. But when you talk about the polls and their effect, I think that that the American people, the more than 50 million people that watch those debates, for example, got a chance to try and assess the character of the two candidates. That's what you're seeing reflected in the polls. It's not that they're looking at the newspaper and saying, oh, gee, George Bush is ahead. So I'm for him. It's that they're taking a look at a snapshot of the character of those men under pressure. And people seem to like what they see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=350.79,388.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I guess you and I disagree on that. I think they'd rather watch the World Series. And let me tell you, I think you're also overlooking the bandwagon effect when someone appears to be a winner and is perceived to be a winner by the public. I think they get on the bandwagon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=388.83,403.56"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me ask you this before we before we break. Do you think it is all over or is it is it in the bag for Bush?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=404.94,409.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, absolutely not. Let me let me just say why. I think one of the things is one of the things, Al, and I think that's starting to happen is people are really beginning to focus. You know, one of the things the polls do, as I said, they reflect the sentiment at that moment. They don't project we're going into a presidential election. And believe me, I think the American people take very serious presidential elections. They know that whoever gets elected, there's a lot at stake. A Supreme Court. Civil liberties, civil rights. I think we're going to see some changes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=410.62,437.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Carl, I think it is over. And I think Mr. Dukakis reminds me of a prizefighter who knows? He can only win by knockout and he's out there flailing away. I think he knows it's over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=438.63,447.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What happened to Harry Truman? And he knocked somebody out when he was behind in the polls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=448.32,451.71"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e He was calling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=452.25,452.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This line The 17 point lead that Mr. Bush has at this hour is going to produce apathy and complacency among those people that would vote for him. I'm concerned that a number of people that would have crossed over from the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, are not going to go to the polls. And that makes it a risky election for George Bush.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=453.54,469.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When we come back, we take aim at school violence in Baltimore City. We'll be right back. All right. As you know, if you've watched Eyewitness News or read the some papers this week, there have been more incidents involving guns in cities, schools. And the task force headed by squirrel panelist and attorney Eddie Gutman, recommending hotlines that parents are calling for metal detectors at the doors of middle schools, junior high and high schools. Some parents pulled our kids out of some of the city schools this week because of the violence. The mayor has called emergency meetings. The question is what can be done to stem the tide of all of these problems?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=470.25,615.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Carl, you have read the Baltimore Afro-American. Richard, one of the things that I think that they have called for is the mayor to put greater leadership. The fact of the matter is, Mel Kirk Schmoke I think administration is going to try to address what is really a difficult problem. But the problem is not isolated just to the school system. What we're really seeing is problems that reflect the larger society. The violence you see in the schools are nothing but the morale of what's going on on the streets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=616.19,640.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e There is more violence, Carl. But why is that violence on the street and why is it growing? I'll tell you why. Because people have learned through a dependency on the drug culture that violence produces high profits. And so the role models for the kids going to high school are the drug dealers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=641.75,658.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you want to say that across the board? I mean, I suggest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=659.51,661.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I want you to take this focus right back to the schools. Well, let's pretend that you four are now the task force on school violence. You are having an open meeting on television tonight. What would you do about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=661.97,673.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You have got to get violent. Kids out of schools, the hands of administrators have been tied by the courts. When you try and put up metal detectors in school, you can thank your friendly ACLU. They'll come right in there and try and get those metal detectors out. You've got people who are not willing to say that there are some kids who should not be in school. They are a detriment to the learning process. And they are a problem for the 95% of the kids who are good kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=673.76,698.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And then the question arises. Then if those kids are out on the street, what do they do out there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=698.3,703.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e If they're out there on the street committing violence and they ought to be not on the street, but in jail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=703.55,707.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When we in fact have a system which is not designed to help the student learn. I know I've been on the show now over two years and for two years we've talked about school violence in Baltimore. Baltimore has a bank robbed education system. It lacks leadership at all levels. We've taken the power, all of the principals. We've taken power away from the principals, and we've provided nothing but a poor curriculum for the children. Baltimore school system is bankrupt. It requires external help in order to put this school system back on its feet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=707.9,738.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And we disagree on that. I think there's a point here. There's a point here on education. We tend to say that all of these students fall into this cookie cutter and it's bankrupt and nothing can be done about. That's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=739.01,751.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e True. I would say nothing could be done about Alan. What I had said, what I what you're suggesting is that there's no leadership. There is no good leader. Chavez no values in our school system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=751.4,761.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And there are people who are deeply concerned about the schools. 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We sit here and we talk about someone getting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=765.42,771.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Shot, talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=772.16,772.43"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To someone, getting raped, the falling SAT scores. We talk about corrupt principals, corrupt council. We call go every week, every scholarship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=773.19,781.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me see if I can have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=781.91,782.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e A scholarship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=783.02,783.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e To my grade school on to greater things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=783.72,785.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That our Annapolis ombudsman one of the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=785.69,787.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Great things about Peter's, he does a lot of shouting. But if you listen carefully, little logic doesn't look like it would help you a little bit here. Peter, listen for a moment. Professor, I know your profession. You profess to know it all, but believe it or not, there are people in Baltimore City who cares deeply about the school system. There are PTA is it's operating. There are people who are putting in scholarships. They are businesses. You know, the former mayor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=787.28,810.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Sha'ath, you're talking like a politician that the professor explained to you what you're talking about, powerful women. Peter can't talk about private education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=811.55,818.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e My nephew, you trot out scream, you're going to win. But if you try to listen to logic, you're going to lose. Now, all I'm suggesting to you is there is a solution, the solution of all parents. It involves business and, yes, elected officials. And and frankly, I believe that the mayor's propose a Kurt Schmoke who made education his top priority. This will be the referendum that four years later people will judge his administration on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=820.2,843.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Carl, you're not dealing with the point that I raised, and that is that the majority of kids in school want to learn. They are being prevented from learning by troublemakers and the hands of administrators have been tied. We've got Supreme Court rulings that say that kids have to have due process. You can't remove a kid from the school who's in there beaten up and who's intimidating and who's bringing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=843.25,862.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Weapons to the market. Are you suggesting on this program this evening that Supreme Court decisions, the highest decisions in the court in the land, should be ignored?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=862.46,871.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think we ought to be challenged.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=872.06,872.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e We have been challenged. They have been challenged. That's the point. You made a statement about the ACLU. I, for one, applaud the ACLU.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=873.83,880.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Not want. You want. Let me take us out of the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=881.45,884.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What I want them to do. What I want the ACLU to do is to protect the civil rights of all citizens. And the fact of the matter is that if the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=884.83,893.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The mineral rights of the majority are being denied, it is the majority of those kids who want to learn that are being denied. Those kids are suffering.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=894.64,903.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Again, are you suggesting that if a Supreme Court made a decision that students have rights and responsibilities, that we ought to ignore the Supreme Court?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=903.55,911.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't. I think that you've got politicians who are unwilling to say that we've got to try something new. We've got to go back to schools that were meant to deal with kids who cannot. 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You get some school boards that are willing to say, we're going to set up some alternative systems. And if they get challenged in the court, then we're going to fight it. And I think you have a very different Supreme Court today than the ones that handed down those rulings that tied the hands of principals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=925.93,940.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me tender a suggestion, if I may. We can talk about public relations and scholarships and politicians. We're always talking about form and not content. A major problem in the Baltimore school system. A is a curriculum which breeds rebellion. We're talking about a curriculum which indeed encourages teenage pregnancy by the time the kids reach junior high. We're talking about a curriculum. The content of what's taking place in the school. Is producing the behavior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=940.93,965.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Wrong with that? No, not that one example of a curriculum. You said in Baltimore City, there's a curriculum that breeds violence. Give us an example of that, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=965.91,973.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e An illustration. Violence is a consequence of a rejection of values when in fact, we have sex testing underway in a school system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=973.66,981.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you suggesting that that creates violence?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=982.84,984.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm suggesting that when you begin to undermine the values that hold together. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=985.39,990.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e To what extent do you expect a school teacher to teach moral values?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=991.57,995.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe that there is a right and there is a wrong. Now, wait. Your has the response to that. And for children of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=996.46,1002.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Different religions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1002.97,1003.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We're talking a small minority.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1004.35,1005.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Come on now, Peter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1006.81,1007.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Sir? Whose curriculum?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1007.8,1008.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Whose moral curriculum shall we teach? What is the Catholic curriculum? The fathers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1009.54,1013.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We're not talking about the religious correct. We're talking about what is an established right. And it was, I believe that a Buddhist, a Hindu, a muhammad and a Christian will agree on what's right and what's wrong. They do not agree that shooting people in the halls is right. That's right. I don't believe that's right. Peter, do you believe a Buddhist would think it's right? What do you how many would think it's right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1014.34,1031.859"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That's not Peter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1032.19,1032.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's not anybody thinks it's right. What is your point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1032.819,1035.339"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Our point where we can agree on what's right and what's wrong. Before you started yelling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1035.64,1039.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You started yelling. You were asked for an example to show how violence is perpetuated in the school system. And your only example is sex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1039.98,1048.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There's no. That is an illustration of how values are undermined.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1048.96,1053.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Can I put a little reason we can take Peter? Peter has a point. I think, in fact, the fact that we are not teaching values, we are. I five years ago ran into a teacher who told me she could not feel in her conscience that she could go in and say that shooting up heroin was wrong, that that was somehow in imposing her values on Linda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1054.33,1073.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That's come out, Linda. You've got to have those Ronald Reagan stories again. And then then now, wait a minute. No, wait a minute. Don't get him. I'm not I'm not suggesting that somehow you've embellished that a little bit. But let's make it clear that that is an example of perhaps an instructor who made a statement who probably wasn't thinking. 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We didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1116.37,1121.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Say that at.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1121.59,1122.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e All. Said it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1122.13,1124.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Now and you did say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1124.74,1125.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e We always get around to this question of morality and where it should be taught. You can go to school and to college and learn about ethics and study what is ethical behavior. Your home has moral values based on your religious preference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1125.7,1139.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody is suggesting that we're going to try and take the public schools and make them sectarian religious schools. That's not what I'm talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1139.83,1145.26"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, then whose moral values shall we teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1145.57,1147.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Come on. I Peter is right. The value of human life, the value of right and wrong, not bringing weapons in, not using violence to settle war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1147.63,1156.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e We all agree on that. Right? 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And there has to be some way. I mean, quickly, it's you're talking about a planning over years. What can we do today, tomorrow, Monday morning to get this back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1193.26,1206.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e On, to return.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1206.97,1207.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Power to the principals. We take away this this entire undermining of their ability. 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That if they if they end up in jail, they end up in jail. Is that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1222.09,1225.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sorry. I am more worried about those 99% of kids who want to learn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1226.08,1230.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Let them go. Understand, understand what Jack Kennedy said and that and I think that's important. Jack Kennedy understood. You don't write off people in a society, but we have to do as a nation and see to it that our young people learn and not just those ones that you suggest that don't want to learn. We've got to reach out to the entire society. It's easy to ignore and to eliminate people. What's a greater challenge is how do we bring everybody and how do we have an inclusionary society?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1230.43,1254.43"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What you doing now is punishing the 99% for the 1%.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1255.0,1257.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I think there's a way of doing that. There are some school systems that have schools that are highly disciplined, where the troubled cases are forced to go or dropout or to go to some kind of night school. But I think we're missing one point here, and I want to address that for a moment. We can't expect teachers to be policemen. They're not trained to be policemen. If you're going to increase security, then you have to have professional security people. It's too easy to say, well, we give the principal more control over the school. He what's what what's he going to go with? Concussion grenades and an M14? 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Let him look at a student and kick them out into the street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1292.23,1304.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Shall he use flash cards or videotape? Come on. We're talking about people who have to be killed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1305.37,1310.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We will break down in Columbia. Just this past week, we had four guys that went in and stripped and raped her on the bathroom floor, sir. Well, do you suggest that we do with them, sir? Think we should brace them and put them to the head of the class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1310.68,1324.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, if you stop shrieking for just a moment, I would explain that if you listened, it would help. Because what I suggested is that we have trained security people in the school, and we have more of them. The race, the type of thing that you're talking about, the rape is an abomination, but you can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1325.02,1340.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do it to the students that did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1340.74,1341.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I would certainly put them in jail. That's a crime that has been committed. But you're suggesting that if we just give the principal more authority, he can handle the problem?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1342.03,1350.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's superficial, even more dramatic. It's not cosmetic. It is a step in the right direction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717#t=1351.21,1356.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/119000/file/223717/transcript/62925/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Next week, we hope to have one of our panelists, Ed Gutmann, on the program. You've seen Harry before. He's also chairman of this task force. And perhaps we'll be discussing this again on next Saturday's program. I did want to say a sad note before we break and come back to read letters that said we lost a dear friend this past week and a square off panelist who appeared on the program a few times, Judge Solomon Liss, who was a former member of the Maryland Court of Special Appeals. Our condolences go out to his wife, his children and his family. Judge Ellis will be missed yet. It was a very bright and wonderful guy, a wonderful man, a terrific sense of humor. And he was always, always stimulating to the discussion when he appeared on Square Off. And we're very sorry that we have lost him. And we will be back. Two new letter writers this week that we'd like to welcome to the program Angela Toda of Baltimore, who writes The Swerve. As for Mike Tyson, he should have thrown his wife and her package deal out the window instead of the furniture. And another first time sportswriter. Good to hear from you, Angela. Here's a letter from Georgia Constantine of Baltimore, who writes, Thank God we have a principal such as Boyce Mosley, who takes the responsibility of saying that our children get home safely. And we'd like very much to hear from you, particularly the first time letter writers, not to discourage the weekly letter writers, but for you, first timers like to write about Peter or Alan or Carl or Linda or any subject. 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