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Keep watching your hands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=90.41,92.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He's right in front of us. This is track 65 from Cooley's group. That's just to show them. You've got to write the answer down. Almost made it. No, uh-uh. Recount it. Six. Yeah. That'll be eight to five. and you bought a raccoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=137.09,179.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think you're finished. Are you finished? No, I just need you to work on your homework for just one more minute. Go ahead, do the next problem. I made that sense I'm too big.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=193.38,209.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm doing fine. It's fine for Mark. When I was a kid, I wanted to ride a motorcycle. My dad took me down to the hospital, showed me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=210.63,243.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why is it that there's no general consensus among the medical community about CHS?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=247.65,251.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it's because we don't know enough to have a consensus. When you know what is causing a problem, everybody agrees. And it's only when you don't know, when you don't have all the answers that people begin to disagree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=252.99,266.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it a problem now? I mean, is this something bogus or is it real?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=267.03,270.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think there are clearly people who are enormously bothered by being around things in their, common things in their environment. Things like strong perfumes, other people's cigarette smoke. And some people will go to great lengths to avoid it because they find it enormously uncomfortable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=271.5,289.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Are they taking those things to extremes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=290.87,292.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What they avoidance? Well, it depends on the person. I think Lots of people will try to avoid cigarette smoke because it bothers them for some people That annoyance leads them to really to withdraw to a tremendous degree from their friends and their work","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=294.549,312.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that a negative side to this whole thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=313.76,315.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, sure, it's one of the real problems for people. You know, some people can simply tolerate the annoyance, and other people, for various reasons, some that we don't understand, just feel that they really must withdraw, or they just simply can't stand the symptoms that they have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=316.62,333.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Reports like yours and other doctors, obviously you haven't taken a position on this issue, but there are doctors who have, and they also say that we don't know enough about it so I'm not going to deal with it. I'm not going to treat it. So what is the solution? For the people who have it, who claim that this is in fact very real to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=334.87,352.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it's important for everybody to have a physician that they trust, and I think that the best way to manage this sort of problem is by having one physician that you go to with your concerns and working with them to find things that work for you as an individual, for that patient with the problem. I think a lot of people do best when they learn to manage the problem themselves, when they learn to avoid the... the things that set off their symptoms, but also work very hard to have good health habits, regular exercise, good food, and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=353.44,391.43"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What did your research into the clinical approach to this reveal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=392.14,395.56"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you mean the clinical approach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=397.0,397.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The use of the very same toxins or chemicals that are supposedly bad, to treat them sort of like analogists will...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=397.98,407.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll use extracts. I think there's a real difference between allergy shots for allergies to trees or grass and the kind of drops that people are trying to use to treat this problem. I really don't think that that's an established technique. And so I do not recommend it for my patients.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=408.69,430.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=431.32,431.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't think that there's evidence that it works. I don't think that there's at the present a scientific basis to think that it should work. I'm not saying that some people haven't. to help them. For any treatment, there are some people that say that it's useful for them, but I don't think it has a foundation in science that would allow us to keep using it, to recommend it for people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=432.39,460.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Has this been approved, the sublingual drops, I believe they call them? They've been approved by the FDA, and if not, how can a doctor get away with it really administering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=461.19,470.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know the answer to that I don't think they have I don't believe that they have not been approved, but I don't know Not every recommendation that a physician makes has to be approved by the FDA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=471.62,487.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What do other critics say about something like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=488.9,490.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, critics don't approve of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=492.66,496.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And for pretty much the same reason as you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=497.25,499.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Again, I think the feeling is there is not a basis for thinking that they work. Too much noise downstairs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=500.31,508.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, a little bit. Watch the cable there. Hold on, hold on, don't take it out. You can just unclip it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=508.86,516.039"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You're just done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=519.19,519.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is the problem with people using subliminal webs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=521.62,525.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there's no scientific foundation to think that they would work. If someone's reacting to a substance, I don't see any reason for them to take that substance in an effort to reduce the symptoms. There's no reason to think that that would work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=527.92,545.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But isn't that, in fact, what Alice just did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=546.22,547.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In the case of allergy, what the allergen is doing is stimulating the body to produce antibodies that block the reaction. So we do understand what allergy shots are doing and why that works. And I don't think there's a comparable understanding of the type of reaction that people are having to the chemicals to make us think that that should work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=549.31,576.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It sounds sort of amazing to me also. What kind of impact could conceivably have on that person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=576.849,582.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I would think it would mainly be irritating for them. If you think you react to formaldehyde, to put formaldehyde drops under your tongue, it just doesn't seem to make sense. I would simply think it would be irritating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=583.82,596.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is going to be necessary in order for the medical community at large to reach a consensus, though, on CHS as it exists, or as people claim it exists?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=597.14,604.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think we need more research to understand what it is that people are being bothered by and why and so that proper treatment can be developed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=606.01,617.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And meanwhile these people who claim to suffer from these maladies, what answer is there for them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=618.21,624.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, for most people that are bothered a little bit by cigarette smoke or perfume, simply avoiding it is enough. And being around it, some probably won't hurt them either. It's uncomfortable. But it's a little like sitting in an uncomfortable chair. You get up from an uncomfortable chair and you feel OK. For people who are enormously bothered by these things, their life is difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=624.68,652.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There's a hearing going on in Washington today over the use of pesticides on lawns. One of the things that they want to make the laws tougher regarding how they can use those chemicals. There are people who claim that they, and I'm sure you've probably heard these arguments yourself, that there's pressure on researchers with pressure on government to keep the rules relaxed for people like Kim Long who treat yards and so forth. How would you respond to that, in fact was there any pressure on you to interpret your data in a certain fashion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=654.12,690.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was fortunate. The state gave me a free hand to read as much material as I could find on the subject and also asked people across a whole range of opinions to review what I was doing so that it would be certain that I'd cover all aspects of the problem. I didn't feel pressure. I actually felt very supported to try to learn as much as I could about the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=692.65,721.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you convinced that it is a problem, CHS?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=723.39,725.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I think it's a problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=727.83,728.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e and what should we be doing to find some solutions, short-term solutions to the people who...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=730.57,737.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that if you have a friend that has the problem, I think you can be aware that if you wear perfume or cologne, it's likely to be very bothersome for that individual. So that if a friend of yours says, could you please leave your perfume at home, and could you not smoke in my home, I think that doing that for your friends is something that anybody can do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=739.14,765.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You ever go to the subway?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=766.73,767.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, people dress up to go to church, people dress up to go to the symphony, and that can be a hard place for someone who's bothered by perfume.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=770.22,778.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we'll get to the point where they'll say no smoking, no perfume, no... Is it conceivable that we could be headed in that direction in our society?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=781.28,788.42"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well that would be too bad because perfume is very pleasant for a lot of people. I think the main thing is to try to find ways for sensitive people to get along and to be able to be in society along with people that like things, like perfume.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=789.27,805.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Meanwhile, what burden is there on chemical industries that produce the chemicals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=806.32,810.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that it is very important to have good labeling so that people know what are in products, to have good labels that tell people how to use the product safely. for chemical companies to keep track of reactions that occur to their products. Most products have phone numbers for adverse reactions. And if someone is having a reaction, it's a good idea to call the manufacturer of that product and just report the response so that that's part of their registry. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=812.83,848.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This morning they built a chemical free house. and tested all the materials that came into it. Is that taking things to the extreme?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=849.04,858.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that everybody likes to have a home that's comfortable for them. And for some people that means having a lot of light and for some people it means having it dark and cozy. And for some people it means getting rid of things that bother them. Mothballs are very bothersome to some people and people shouldn't use them. So I think that it depends on the person. I think that everybody should have a home that's comfortable for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=860.67,892.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Are there any other points you want to make regarding this issue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=894.38,896.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=897.65,898.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I told you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447#t=900.34,900.7"}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267447/transcript/77520/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/520/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-006-003_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308333","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/520/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-006-003_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308333"}]}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267448","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - open-uri20250314-1605153-hv084n.mp4"]},"duration":975.956,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/267/448/small/open-uri20250314-1605153-hv084n_1741972936.jpg?1741972936","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267448/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267448/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-marmia.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/267/448/original/open-uri20250314-1605153-hv084n.mp4?1741972935","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":975.956,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144687/file/267448","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[]}]}