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So anyhow, I go to the air and I start working at it and a guy named Chuckie Stern, he's a pro now. He's a little kid. He was going everywhere. Rise. We're there for safety, but like you say, y 'all, read the paper before you leave. Larry Barrett got, oh man, that guy dropped him. Really, got knocked him out? No, knocked him down bed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=0.79,35.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Did it get, I mean, where it's an accident?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=37.81,38.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the two fighters were fighting, right? And the guy from Virginia Beach, the guy hit the oil and broke his jaw, Hampton. He's a pretty tough guy. He's beat everybody up, as it were. But Chico was winning the fight, and he knocked him down like a flash knockdown. So then when he'd get back up, he'd give him the 8 -cannon, and the fight continues. And now Chico is being more cautious. So he moved, and he threw a hook and hit the referee right in the heart. Boom, dropped him. And he went down, and... And then his leg, he must have fell on his leg, and he was going like this, and the fight continued. And, you know, I mean, everybody was like, what do we do? We never went through that before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=39.74,78.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, now let me ask you a question. your name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=79.77,84.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Jodie Wingfield. Jodie. Well, I'm gonna use Jodie. Why? That's my fight name. But what do people call you? Jodie. And your parents call you? Jodie. My mother calls me Joe. Okay. But my name's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=84.73,99.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Where do you get the Jodi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=98.95,99.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e My name is Jody J -O -D -Y Miles Wingfield. That's my true name. I'm named after my uncle Joda, J -O -D -A. Okay. Okay? And you prefer Jodi. Jodi. That's your fighting name. That's it. But you don't fight anymore. Well, I'm in a fight game. That's how they pronounce me in the ring. So they knew me as a fighter, I didn't know he said he's a Yoda","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=100.61,122.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now how did a South Baltimore boy from a nice district or town like that, a nice section of town, how did a South Baltimore boy get involved in fighting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=123.57,132.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e curiosity went to see if I could do it everybody wants you know you fight on the street who wins nobody well when you were a kid did you get into a lot of fights nah we really was a push -and -shove wrestling kind of thing now I wasn't enough a street fighter I mean you didn't go down to pull these boys club and put the gloves on never the first person ever put on gloves with was Billy Martin a police officer who just got killed 19, I believe, 89. We went to the park, I was maybe 11, he was 14, and he put the gloves on, we were spawning around up the park, Riverside Park, and I tried to catch him and he kept running around, boom, boom, and that's the first taste of leather. And I never got it off my tongue yet. He gave you a little bit of a beating? Well, he didn't beat me up bad, but I just couldn't catch him, and he kept moving and hitting me, and I kept chasing him, and to be honest... That's what developed my first skill of boxing. I am the stalker in the ring. I was. I'd go after the other guy. I didn't care. And then you learn from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=134.36,203.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e there. You went forward? I went forward. Always forward? Always forward. If you're gonna get in front of Jodi, you know he's gonna come to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=203.04,210.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, and that's my attitude and my personality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=210.6,213.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you win or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=214.33,214.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e fights when you were an amateur? Yeah, I did. I won a lot of fights. But the ones people remember are the ones I lost. And maybe they're the ones who taught me the best thing about it. You have to learn how to accept defeat. And then you learn defeat is only temporary. And if you learn from your losses, you become a better fighter in person. And it's brought me up the ladder to a referee and a judge for the State Athletic Commission. That's a long way from se -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=215.27,242.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e out, Walmart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=242.04,242.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I was in South Baltimore. I went to Southern High School. Grew up in, went to Francis Got Key, went to 84, Thomas Johnson, and that was my whole life. And I never caught a bus to school, I had to walk. And there wasn't far enough away to catch a bus. So when I went to Glenburnie, a 10 mile drive to an amateur thing, that was like a different world. Not realizing that would take me to Ohio, and to Hawaii, and to wherever I could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=243.59,269.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, in terms of becoming an amateur fighter, you were kind of old. You were what, 22 when you went to your first...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=271.2,279.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e amateur fight. Yeah, my first amateur fight was May 5th, 1976. I fought a guy named Fred Knott. He was probably 17, and I was 22. Gave me a good advantage. But the guys I fought had been amateur boxers for five to eight years before I even went in the ring. 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What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=300.03,309.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, 1977, and it usually starts the year before, like the late 76, they have the tournament. And the two guys, my first two losses was in 76. And both of those guys, Charles Tuttle and Wayne Knox, I believe, they were in the same tournament with me as the Golden Glove tournament started. So that was my fear. I would have to fight them again. But I wanted to, but I didn't want to, you know? But what happened, there was 22 fighters in that division, my weight division, and by the time we got, the brackets went down, they had lost before they got a chance to fight me. So you didn't get a chance to fight him? But I beat both guys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=309.81,353.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e that beat them well doesn't that tell you in your mind you probably could have beat them too yeah yeah so then to Hawaii you are you became the the this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=354.03,364.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Golden Globes champion. The region, yeah, I won the regional championship in 1977. And then you went to Hawaii. Yep. And that's a national championship. You won one. What happened? I won my first fight. I fought a guy named Monte Oswell from Michigan. He's now a referee on USA. And then my second fight was against a guy named Rodney Green from Kansas City. And he got the best of me. But then I learned something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=365.66,392.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You were training hard, then the Olympics was coming. You were training hard. You wanted to make the Olympic boxing team.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=395.89,404.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, once I got rated as an amateur fighter, which was that year, 1977, I was rated 18 in the United States. Then you stay rated as long as you can, win as much as you can, and you look forward to the Olympics. So 77, 78, 79 were my good years. I was state rated, fought on TV, learned a lot of experience, moved around in different gyms. And then they boycotted the Olympics in 1980 because Russia had invaded Afghanistan. There goes my... It took the wind out of your sails. It took the wind out. Just not knowing that, I mean, I just wanted that chance to go to the Pan -American Games to qualify. I didn't even get that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=404.96,445.43"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, so you were very disappointed, you sort of got away from boxing a little bit, then you tried professional boxing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=446.68,454.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought I'd outgrew the amateur and everybody was bringing up money, we could make some money now. Cable TV was just beginning, maybe you could get a cable TV fight. So I turned pro in 1982 and had one of the best trainers there is today is Mark Lewis and he got me in good condition but now I look at it 13 years later, I could have been in better condition. Say you didn't do too well. No, sir. I got cut up and I got beat. I tried it a second time. More cuts, more beats. So then I said... Your mother said? Well, my mother convinced me it's time to cool it. So then I kind of disappeared for a while and I got the taste back in there. My dream was first to win a fight, which I did, then to win a title, which I did, as an amateur. Now, back then, my dream was I want to be in a championship fight of the world. But I never realized I don't have to be a fighter to make that goal. I can be a referee or a judge, and that's my new goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=457.29,521.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So now the little scrapper from South Baltimore is now an official.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=523.49,531.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e with the state athletic commission and the Arinter Athletic Association in Colorado. So you take your tests, you got to know the rules, regulations. I'm still learning. There's a lot of things that happen in a ring. You have to react too quickly and give you a year or two to learn those. And then you move up or you disappear. You've refereed now about a dozen fights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=533.7,554.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Professional fights, yeah. I've been doing it for a year now. The one that I was, where I was that night, the guy dropped his mouthpiece.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=555.449,562.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The math piece slipped out of the guy's mouth and I reacted. I picked it up and put it back in his mouth, which is a no -no from the state of the commission. The rule rates, if it's knocked out, he doesn't get it back. Well, it wasn't knocked out. So that split second, I had to make a decision. Well, it slipped out. That's my discretion. I still should have washed it off, but I shouldn't have really given it back to him. But that was my first... Mistake my second was it came at a second time and then I give it to the wrong fighter Crowd let you know it dude in the crowd booed me for the first time but as I told my wife it was a happy boo But when you do a bad bad thing, you'll get a bad boo. You'll know it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=564.57,612.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the crowd, you know you made a mistake, so you will, and the camera man had to be there shooting all this at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=612.85,618.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the best time to learn. When you see your own mistakes, you don't need anyone else to tell you. You can learn better from your own, seeing your own mistakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=619.09,627.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So you've recently been inducted to the Hall of Fame here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=629.57,633.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Maryland Boxing Hall of Fame, they take a group of men in each year or women, depending on different categories. You could be lifetime, dedication to boxing, amateur, professional. I was inducted in 1993 as an amateur boxer for my good amateur career, which I had 75 wins and 16 losses. Well, not a whole lot of folks can say they're in the Maryland Hall of Fame. To be honest, only 206 came, and I was the 206th person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=634.18,666.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e well congratulations so your goal then is to referee a championship fight of the world does it matter what weight","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=667.72,677.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it doesn't. I'd prefer the weight that I fought at. 156, I was a middleweight. I had Marvin Hagler. When I was fighting, Marvin Hagler was there. 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You tell me. Well, there's different kind of bells. When the third bell rings, that starts to ring. But doesn't that want to make you? There's a different kind of... Put your dukes up a little bit. Well, you know, a lot of guys might think that, but when a bell rings now, it brings back some memories. When I see a good tough fight and two guys are just so even fighting, that brings back memories to me, you know? But when the bell rings, you know, it brings back memories. This is like a flash in your mind. 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Sometimes I kid the guys in the bars or the clubs, you know, we'll pretend I hear phones ring if they don't ring, but that's all, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1015.86,1026.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That could be a comedian act you could do, right? It's all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1026.349,1028.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fine. How long you been with channel 13 now, Newer? Now, my, uh, my first one... See his face, can't think of his name. He lives on Thunder Hill, I can see his own diamond back. We go past this house every time we go over there, I mean, that's the only way in. Yeah, but after the meeting last night, we had a meeting, Norm. And the head referee gives everybody. like a grade, a little report card, he looked at me and he said, do I have to tell you what you did wrong? 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But each year it's a difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1092.67,1100.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now this is when you were inducted into the Hall of Fame, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1102.34,1106.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e October 31st, 1993.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1107.54,1110.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e October 31st, 1993, inducted into the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1111.05,1114.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Boxing off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1118.33,1118.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e and Maryland Boxing Hall of Fame.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1119.33,1121.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Where do you live, Norm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1129.86,1130.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is Ruffman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006#t=1131.04,1131.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144479/file/267006/transcript/77200/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There's another story about South Baltimore guys. The ones that get out of town make it seven years. So really, it was, I got an apartment over there at Tana Country Apartments. I lived there like over in Charles Mines for like nine. That's not the reason either. She just wanted to keep her name, because of her work and everything. Here she is, when she went with the woman. 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