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Hi, I'm Jackie Hall. And look at this trophy. And I'm Dan Hanson. We've got a full house today and we're going to have some of the best rappers and breakers around to demonstrate two of the hottest teen phenomena to come along in a long, long time. And we'll be joined by City Lines own Tim Watts and Curtis Anderson of WWI and Radio, and Jay Russell of station WABE. And for those of you or us who don't know how to break bread, Carter will be here to discuss his free and easy breakdancing book or an hour of fun, fun and pure fun. Stay with City Line for our special rap thoughts and break our show. Welcome to City Life. We are excited about today's show. One of our first guests to talk about breakdancing is Fred Cotter. He is the publisher of a free and easy method of breakdancing. Welcome back to City Line, Fred. Thank you. Glad to be here. I'm glad to be back. It's going to be an easy method of modeling also. And clothing, Right. And photography. Yes. Let me ask you, in terms of putting together this book, how were you able to harness the energy of breakdancing to put it down in one, two, three fashion? First, I had to pull out my hair. When you talk about breakdancing as a job, I'll tell you what we did primarily is we did a lot of researching. We called New York, We called we check with people in Philadelphia. We called California. We got a group of break dancers together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=72.32,189.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we got I did a lot of research and we started putting our notes down and we put it into book form. Well, what is break dancing for those two people out there who don't know what it's all about? It's you can break your neck if you don't do it properly. That's what I mean. You know, the word break means you can really break something if it's not done properly. Well, what is it? Breakdancing is a like it's a when you throw yourself on the floor, it's a form of gymnastics and mime. I mean, is it a cultural art form? Is it just a passing? There's a passing thing. It's like the kids basically in the streets of New York and the streets of California didn't know what to do. So they got it and said, Let's open on our heads. It's been on our backs. Let's do something. Let's attract some attention to music, write to music. And they did something. They really do something with it. It's very much like acrobatics. It's really like acrobatics. Yeah, these kids are great and they get down on the floor and they spin around. They spin around it. Let me ask you, what? What is it? Don't ask me to spin. Now we're going to take the spin as because, I mean, what is the difference between breaking and popping? Breaking a poppy. Okay. Breaking, as I said, is when you get to the floor and you do your spins, you do what you call like a backspin, you do a butt spin, and these band, they have like the crab walk, don't get kick. Now we get the popping, like popping. It's like a break breaking of your body. You know, you do you move with you break the body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=189.83,269.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you get down on the floor and spin around and you start you stand up primarily a pop. You swing these kids. You're not a pop, right? The kids out of the kids in a lot of pop, but they might be at home with you. Yeah, but that's the pop is, you know, you see the kids, they get out there and take the fingers. They they break their body here. They break their elbow here and they break their wrist there and they start doing all the movements. But you look like you do a pretty good No, not that good. Right? What's a nice man like you writing a book about break dancing? Nice people write books on break dancing. Why not purpose for doing? No, I saw there was a need. And I've spoke I've spoken to a lot of kids, particularly a lot of kids in the suburbs, and they said we would like to know how to break dance. Now, you know, as break dancing is a a dance a come out of the ghettos of the New York and Philadelphia and California all over. And the suburban kids say, I would like to learn this. So that's why we put together the book. I put together a book with my wife, Anita Carter, and her associate is also Miriam Michalik. They were the writers of the book. So but but the book basically is pictures how to do various things, step descriptions, step by step. If you follow that, you go through it, you can do it. Well, I want you to if you follow the pictures, you can do it Well, well, well, quite honestly, I followed the path and all I found was that my back started. Okay. I could have started your legs out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=270.15,349.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My next door hurt. But. But the point is essentially that the basic this covers the movements where you get down on the floor. Get down on the floor. Right. As opposed to, yeah, this is the this is actually breaking movements instead of popping movements. Now you've got you've got the book out. Right. The book is going to teach people how to do breakdancing. Yeah, but be sure they don't break their neck. You can break your neck if you're not careful. And they that very seriously. You should like really exercise first. You should really get your body in condition before you attempt any sort of breakdancing. Okay, Now, but I'm telling you that now I to because of my advanced age, you get right down to doing this. And then, of course, I'm going to leave that to the kids. But, you know, but but it's part of the book. Obviously. You want people to to buy it. Right. Got hold of it. It's absolutely a fancy looking book here. How do people get a hold of the book? Well, people are going to get hold of book by calling a number. We have a toll free number. And Philadelphia, you can call from anywhere in the country and the number is one 800 533fre free and operator standing by now. Five, three, three, three. We must indicate that there is a fee. So there is a fee is not for book is 995 plus $2 for postal handling. Where do you see breakdancing going? Oh, I see it. It's no limit to where breakdancing is going. It's, you know, as a matter of fact, you know, it came out over like eight years ago. And with the the advent more or less of with the Jennifer Beale movie, The Flashdance, it came right back up again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=350.52,448.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I said, it's no limit to where it's going to go. A lot of kids are talking about that breakdancing might become part of Olympics. And do you know what I found that was interesting? I attended a performance at our School for the Arts, which is similar to what's shown in the in the TV show Fame. Right. And they had choreographed a break dance, which was excellent and kind of paired it with ballet, which was, Oh, let me tell you something. Know I can input something. There we have let me let me ask you. Yeah, let's hold that point back. On that point, I want to remind everybody at home that you can join the discussion by calling us at 481 13, 13. And right after we go to this break, we're going to have a break dancing contest. Where you going to have an opportunity to actually vote from home? We'll tell you all about how to do that in a few minutes. That's right. And you be the judge. No, no, no. Malcolm X? No, no. Oh, boy. Welcome back to the special edition of Sitting Down and Breaking and Wrapping. And just before we went away, Fred Carter was was finishing up on the point about choreography. Yeah, Match. I was mentioning there's a group in Philadelphia, and I just did a performance for the Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra and a phenomenal gift to see the people that people respond to, to young and old alike. Fantastic. Okay, now tell you what we're going to do now. We're going to have a contest and you at home are going to be an opportunity to vote as to which is the best break dancing group in the Baltimore Sun. The Baltimore scene first group coming up on on the tape is the Rockets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=449.79,616.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The second group is called Chocolate Boogie. Now, let me just draw a distinction. The Rockets are, in fact, breakdancing and chocolate boogie is popping. And so let's take a look at that and then we'll tell you how to vote for them. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Name. They five. Time. O. O. O. O. O. O. O. O. O. O. O. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh. Shots. But. Eyeball to eyeball to eyeball To eyeball to eyeball. To eyeball to eyeball. Contestants. They are rockets. That was the first group. If you think that Rockets is the winner of the two part contest, please call 900 7202660. And don't forget, there is a 50 cent charge for the call. That's if you're going to vote for rockets, which are the breakers. That was the first group. The second group. Pack up the poppers, buggy poppers. If you think they are the winners and you call 900 7202666. That's one 900 7202666. And I remind you, there is $0.50 for the call. These are the numbers again on the screen. If you want to vote for rockets, which was a first group or chocolate bogey, the second group. Okay. We've still got Fred Carter with us, the author and publisher of the Free and Easy book on breakdancing. And we've got a question from the audience. Yes, sir. How are you doing? Fred, you said breakdancing originated about eight years ago, approximately around that time. Yes. I thought it was something like six. You know, between I say well, with very between six and eight years ago. Yes. And it was everywhere that originate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=617.61,1010.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a lot of controversy there, whether it originated in New York or Los Angeles. What was the question? That your question? I don't know. Why Why aren't there any break dances in places like Billings, Montana? Oh, why? Yeah, this is you know why? Because this is, like I said, to say this is a ghetto dance and we're making sure that there is going to be like Billings, Montana, with our book. Yeah, it's happening now. It's happening right now. We're getting calls from all over. All right. Thanks a lot. You're quite welcome. Yeah. Let me ask you, can can the breakers make money doing this? Absolutely. We're getting so many calls for assignments for breakdowns. It's a shame. I mean, it's not a shame. It's good for them so they can charge for their parents. What's happening is keeping the kids off the streets. They're making money. They have pocket money. They're making good money off. Okay, let's bring in the audience quickly. Hi, you're on the line. Do you have a question? Yes, Yes, go ahead, please. Thank you. You know, I just I'll make this quick. I work with children every day and in and in all of the range and popularity of breakdancing. I think the promoters have forgotten one very important factor, and that's safety. Children need, I feel, to be cross. And that considerable skill in training is needed before they attempt, you know, the contortions someone is going to end up breaking a back arm legs, severing a spinal cord, dislocating a they may have for every second of that going. Thank you. Okay. What we do, that's why we have in the book, we have the basic moves. We don't illustrate like the head spin with your head spin is very, very dangerous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=1011.63,1111.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No one should attempt to hit spin without supervision because they can you can break your neck by doing this speed. There are several moves that you can do. We do the very simple basic moves. We also do have a disclaimer in our book. That is it can it can injure. You can enter yourself very, very bad and really stress that. Yes, we stress this. We stress this is very important. Yes. Okay, Fred, if somebody wants to get your book one more time, how do they get the book? They can get the book by sending by calling one 800 533. F. R. E. E. Okay. Fantastic. Fred Carter, thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me. We're going to come right back on City Land with a discussion about rap music and a whole bunch of rap music. Now here's this week's community calendar. Hi, I'm Pat. Only Channel 13 has teamed with the YWCA to sponsor the opening night performance of Lena Horne, The lady and her music on Tuesday, March 20th at the Morris Mechanic Theater. Please join us for a gala evening as we help the YWCA raise money to renovate its critically needed downtown facility. Good seats are still available, so call the YWCA tomorrow at 685 1460. We look forward to seeing you. Hi, I'm Eric Green. The class of 79 of Forest Park Senior High is preparing for his fifth year class reunion. It will be held at the forum on June 3rd from 9 p.m. to 1 a.m.. For more information about tickets, contact Cynthia Powell. Holland at 5788444. If your group or organization would like to announce an event, please write us in care of Cityline. WJC TV Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland 21211. Or call us for further information at 4660013.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=1111.4,1379.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Between the hours of nine and five. Okay, we're back. And as we promised you, we said something about the break music earlier. Break that break. Dancing you write called Break Dancing and rap dancing. Now, rap music, which is the cultural cousin. And we have our guest next is Tom Silverman, who is of Tommy Boy Records. Tom, you've been welcome to Cityline. You've been stated as being the person to bring out more rap music recordings than any other label. I definitely can't take the blame for that. I don't think I did. I think there's at least one other label who's probably known for it even more than I am. I don't only do rap, I also put out other kinds of music, but it's just music that caters to that. The same people who like rap, basically the street audience. Who are some of the groups that you have on Tommy Boy Records? We have Afrika Bambaataa and Soul Sonic Force known for Planet Rock and looking for the perfect beat. And now everybody knows that and they're breaking big now with the new one, Renegades of Funk, which is blasting off here and overseas for the first time. We have Planet Patrol, which is basically a 1980s temptation style group, not a rap group, really a vocal group. Another group called Johnson Crew, which is one of the first electro boogie groups for that type of dance. And it'll called Body Popping, also known as Electro Boogie Johnson, who's kind of music is very science fiction and great for that kind of dancing. We also have a new group called The Force MDs, which is a vocal group that also raps and also breakdancing dancers. But you've got an awful lot of groups that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=1381.82,1492.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've only been in business for two years. We've only been in business for two years. Well, there is a local group here in Baltimore called the champs Citigroup. As a matter of fact, the Charm City crew was involved in a contest, the Web Radio, WB radio here, and we had an opportunity to visit with them recently and to catch their act live. Let's take a look at that and then we'll come right back to the way the featured EP, The O.C., where three young rappers with the message agree, We don't drink no wine to shoot. No, no, we don't smoke. No weed, No. Go to the melons, all that. Mike Lee, don't you just get on the mike less. Come in. They come. See you living today, dealing with the live with their whatever you go, you better get next to them. Bank robbers, the man, the junkie, the good. You'll be in the booth today. You look good. And you put the planet gold in the vault a minute. You don't like living up? I'll get back to the book and give us. You got to be in the role of every day. Did more to lose about 3535 day to day community let common name. So just listen here for the wall. My name is Ice-T. My way to feel strong. You want to be the one at the hip. You're walking around town in front of people, You know you're in jail, your mother's going to hell. The is at the door ringing the bell. You get put in jail, try to survive when nightfall hits, try and take a W just to be a cool fella. But what we do wit because they're not going to get it trying to be too slick for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=1493.67,1580.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I see. I'm not a bit slick, but emcees don't attract all the tips because I'm the man undercover. I'm the coke lover. To me, you won't want no other from city is city and state. State. Come on, Melody, let's culminate with shakin and never big that a party and they will look at the kid like I was crazy I said the beat with don't bang on the bus and everybody this shows will match it with this song. I overheard a chant that was going around and that the mellow man is here and I can't go there. I still have plenty to do with the style of my pizza started falling off and jams on my bucket. I got all the tables. Then I thought the whip. Then I thought about the mike and started rapping all day. I was aggressive a D with the touch of class to knock a scratch on the table like a grand metal player. Don't write me a check that you can add a doorstop. I'm number three with the four from town to town. Hot state. The state. Come on, idealist Carbone like this. Living in this life. Don't be no fool. You can live good. Cut it live for us. Get to pay the people bit McCain in the summit knowing that break could break it combination. Never delegate a work of honesty without a day of education. Good moms learning about with no place to stay because the rich got really took down the way I read in the paper of the race the ground with the don't fight no while a way to get rid of money seem to a bigger have no future waiting in the teeth to get out and take a step to life getting right away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=1580.76,1666.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you want a good quality among the microphone? I go to the party, then have to hold a gun to plead to put the boogie in your feet to defend that with the mud. This man did that on the gold satin love. If you don't tell me you in your mother do when you do it, you don't win that body rock to the beach. So cute I. Come on. Haha yeah. I mean it won't be. Yeah I mean it won't actually be. They would. I'm 23 with a hip hop and a hip and yeah, there the wind is and W.E.B Radios Rap contest. And we're going to take a break and come right back. Hip, hip, hip hop. Right. This is probably true if you don't stop the rock to the bang bang boogie and the hip hop to the hip hop. We're back with Tom Silver. We're talking about well, put rock with rap music, which is a new phenomena of rock music. Tom, you know, is is rap music just a fad? I mean, can you build a company on rap music? I'd say three or four companies have. My company really isn't built on rap music, but it was a rap record that that probably was our most successful record ever. And and whenever we do on the planet, Rock, Planet rock and the record that we put out before that Jay-Z five Jay-Z sensation was probably a bigger. Our first big hit that got us out of debt. So and I can tell you there are other labels like Sugarhill and Profile which have based their labels on rap. How long will it last? How long can last? It's hard to say. They said. How long can disco last? Well, they thought disco was dead when the media pronounced the dead five years ago, and it's still doing real strong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=1666.87,1884.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it never left it. And it didn't really come back. It just never left. I don't think rap is going to die because it's a sociological phenomenon. It might become more melodic. Okay, now you're with us and we want to take advantage of this expertise that you have. We want you to judge the unique girls who are at our mike right now, and they're going to give us a demonstration of rap. You and I. Cooley. But you need girls and we're freaky, you know, kiwi with uni girls and we're real freaky when we come in town. You bet. We're cool. We're bad. You can see in a strike. You wanna kill me? What do you need? Girls and women. Freaky. Well, people call me shorty, but it's not my name. You got to have scratch to play my game. You kill me. What do you need, girls? And we're real freaky. Hi, my name is Glenda, but they call me Shirley. And if a man in the world can more like me, you enough QE. You need girls and women. Everything. Ma'am, my name is sexy, but should eat. And if you know where I can move Like me, I got the style. I got the class we don't like. You can. You couldn't say that on television. Like you. You do? Girl, I know that's a little shorter than you were planning to do, but thanks so much. Tom. That is the rhythm of rapping, isn't it? Yeah. It's really hard to appreciate it without the drum box behind it. That beatbox makes it really come to life. Like the. The rappers, the term city rappers who they. They have just the beatbox behind it, which is similar to what Run-D.M.C. had with, uh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=1885.21,2002.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like that. And sucker emcees and that kind of a thing makes the thing come to life. You really can't do it with no music or instruments at all. I felt like beating on my leg just to give them something to go with. It's real hard to keep the rhythm. It's all about beat and it's almost there's a parallel you could draw with scat singing, if anything. And a lot of people think there's roots in bebop in this. Let me just remind everybody at home that you can join in our discussion by calling 4113 13, and we probably have a few seconds to get a few phone calls in. 481 1313 But Tom, you know, there's this phenomena that people keep talking about. I mean, we've rap music that you have to be from New York or you have to be from L.A. in order to do it. All the big groups seem to come from they they come from the streets of their I mean, are they successful groups from other areas? Uh. Not many just answered my question. Not many. But I'll tell you the reason for that, which is probably what you really want to know, is because most of the labels that specialize this are in New York and they've been doing it longer. So the competition is much higher. We the kind of raps that you hear in Baltimore and other places are what was happening in New York about a year and a half or two years ago. Rap rapping has gone south, Sonic Force and Run DMC and now don't consider what they do rap. They considered M.C. Poppin, which is another level higher, and it just keeps evolving. It's like ten years from now, it's bringing the home audience a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2003.13,2083.639"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They want to talk to you as well. Hi. You want to talk this time? SILVERMAN Yes. I'd like to know how he finds his talent. I mean, does he go out in. And see if in the public does he see people rapping and he'd like s from the comfort of stations or whatever. That's what we usually do. I go uptown in New York and into the Bronx and other places, and we go to our community centers and just incognito, basically unannounced and watch watch the people do what they do. And if we hear people that really stand out, that do something that I've never seen before. Sometimes we give them a call. Another thing I do is I judge rap contests a lot, but I like to work with the groups. Sometimes I produce them. I usually executive produce them so I could direct them the way I want to make them excited to tell me about. But the rap contest in New York, I've heard that they've got clubs where they're playing the they've got deejays playing the music and people rapping actually on the mic. Laugh. Yeah, well, that happens here too, I'm sure. But mostly in community centers. There's one club in New York called the Roxy, which is the scene of a movie which is being shot. Now. A couple of movies are being shot there, and I'm reading the screenplay for another break, dancing and rapping and scratching and deejaying. This is the topic for, I'd say, at least five or six movies that are in production right now. And by next year it'll be about ten times bigger than it is now. It'll be like Saturday Night Fever. All right, let's take another call. Hi, your live on City Line.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2083.76,2169.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hi. Listen, I was listening to this supposed to be it's such a new phenomenon. And my mother, who is in her sixties, states that when she was young and growing up, she used to listen to rap music, a concert that they used to do it like quartets. They used to do rap music, like take part it or whatever from the Bible and do rap music in the church. Have you heard of that, Tom? I've heard of a of Jamaican roots of rap where where they had what they call toasting in Jamaica. And they would get up and do lines and rhymes and the Rastafarians would be involved in that. I'm sure that it had its parallels in the church, too. It has its parallels in bebop. It has its parallels and doo wop from the fifties. There's it's the culmination of many, many forms of music. Now, when when rap music started, it just seemed to have been just a bunch of words that for me, and maybe it's my own hearing that that didn't make any sense. But then all of a sudden they became very serious messages there that were really heavy and they talked about life and about what people were going through. Do you see that as is continuing? I see that as ending pretty fast. I think that people don't want to be faced with the realities and the hard times of life. They want to party, they want to get away, they want to escape, and and they want something better. And all of our raps have a message, but the message is usually that you are capable of something better. So go out and do it. Not how horrible New York is or how horrible the world is and inflation is bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2169.88,2253.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you know we can't make a buck. I turn down those type of raps immediately because of the content and I'm not interested in writing them, believe me. What was what was the Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five with the message when that one of the biggest sellers was? It was the second biggest seller, The Planet Rock, which was it was more of a a rap about peace and love to the world, which is one of the lyrics in it. And that sold over 600,000 copies that the message was a big hit. It was a big hit, but they followed it up with a song called New York New York, which wasn't nearly as big of a hit, which is even more depressing. Let's take another call. Tom. Hi. You want to talk to Tom Silverman? Yes. I'd like to know, how is rap music cultural? Because most of the red socks that I've heard are related to crime. Oh, well, you should pick up some Tommy Boy rap songs. None of us ever go all the way to commercial. They're all related, really, to a better a better way of life. And a few of them are related to crime, but I don't think the most of them are. I think you really have to investigate a little further. It's about happiness. But, you know, she raises a good point, though, the cultural aspect. Is there anything cultural about rap music? It's 100% cultural. Everything about it is cultural. There's nothing that cultural. That's why I'm excited about. In what way? It's it comes from the streets. It oozes from the streets. It came from some of the worst ghettos in America. It's music that rose from from oppression, societal oppression. And it's from people who have to to get this emotion out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2254.02,2341.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's raw and it's real. And it was a combination of the music and the the raps that that really is. Why else would Rapper's Delight, which has sold more copies of the 12 inch than anybody has ever sold before in the history of man be such a big hit. Okay. Someone at home would like to talk to Tom Silverman. You're on City Line live. Go ahead, please. Hello? Anybody there? Yes, go ahead, please. I would like, uh. I would like to, uh. Hello? Okay, now you're going to have to turn your television down and talk directly to us. If they have younger children under the age of 13 wrapping. Yeah, we like to do that, that there's legal problems involved, that anybody under 16 is legally a minor and contracts with those people are not binding in law. And uh, so it makes us shy away from it, but we'd be real excited to do something with somebody 13, 11 or 12. That's our prime market. So we would enjoy that. But the, uh, you have to have parental, uh, a parental contract signed and it's very complicated. You deal with more parties. Tommy Boy Records is now riding the wave of success along with, with, with other record label. Sugarhill And I think you mention profile also of rap music is something that the critics didn't even want to deal with at first. I mean, how do critics treating you now? Do you care about the critics? Uh, in in the press? The critics in New York jumped on it right away. They used to be into reggae. Now all of a sudden, they don't watch reggae anymore. They watch rap. They love cultural black music. They don't like mainstream R\u0026B. Unfortunately, uh, I've I've, I've found that the critics have been incredibly good to us all over the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2341.25,2448.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Afrika Bambaataa is practically has the critical acclaim of Elvis Presley or the Beatles at this point, and that's no Lie. Their new record came into, uh, came into the charts in England at 39, the pop top salesman of Tommy Boy Records. And Tommy bought me a nice hat. I'm really happy with the head. It's a little bit large for me, but I'm a try. That tops the Tommy Boy records. Thank you very much for being with us today. We're going to take a break and we're going to come back with Curtis Anderson at 7:00. So the same music waiting for me to take on the labor detail once it gets down on me for escaping from my head to my. We're back on City Line with our special on breaking and wrapping. And we've been joined by three folks who can really wrap some and all of whom need no introduction to. Yeah, right. Nobody knows what they look like. You'll recognize these voices once they start talking. It's Curtis Anderson of WWII in radio. Jay Russell of the and you recognize his face. Tiny Tim. What some people would say, Oh, yes, fine. Thank you. Well, great. Well, fantastic. We need to hear what programmers, radio programmers have to say about rap music and how it's influence the way you program we started. Curtis Yeah. Curtis You know, I remember back in 1979, it was 1979 when there was a record called Rapper's Delight. When it first hit, I had the pleasure of bringing the first original copy back out of New York, which owned by Sugarhill Records. And at the time they were back to back 177,000 just in New York alone before it even spread anywhere else in the country. The message in the music, you know, it's always been positive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2449.23,2711.78"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, you know, the hip hop and the bebop was like an expression of the beat, you know. But, you know, the message is always. Curtis as a programmer, what did you do with that? To what does when do with with the rap music fired it up just put it on and let it go for itself. You don't see it in programing. There was a time when when everybody thought everybody wanted to hear, Sing, sing, sing, and because of deejays talking, who wants to hear a record talk? You know? But I mean, it reversed itself, you know, And what they were saying in the song was actual truth. But what is it the wind does now? We still play rap music. You still play rap music all day long. When that all day long. Just a certain day. Pass that. Tell me about that. Okay. Well, in programing, you know, you have a certain amount of people who, you know, like certain music, you know, and of course, you know, you have to please everybody that listens on our AM station. You know, we have an amphibian on the AM station at night. We have what we call Mack Jam 84, which you know, consists mainly of, of of all the rap because you know that the people who like the rap music like to listen at that time. Okay. Jay Jay what's what's the status on WB. Okay well, first let's clarify two things. I am that the programmer and there is a difference between between programing and programing. Okay David Brooks is our programing but in programing music, we are probably Maryland's leaders when it comes to putting in rap music. The ratings indicate that. Uh, secondly, I think that there is a great need for that kind of creativity, particularly the cultural aspect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2712.41,2803.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everyone growing up today needs somebody to be an example to them is interesting. I was talking to a guy the other night at the Park Heights Fire Department and he was talking about the number of kids that are OD'ing and they don't have any way to escape. And he was talking something like 50 kids a month are really taking their lives, I think rap music. You mentioned the cultural aspect. I think rap music has, particularly in Baltimore, which is the eighth poorest city in the country, has allowed a lot of kids, particularly black kids, to get into something that they like. They love something they can give them a dream, give them some hope, give them something to make them understand the programing techniques. The wind plays rap music sometimes during the evenings. 1 a.m. Station WB, which is in the station, plays rap music. When we're day party with gospel in the morning, we are more contemporary mid-day, which is when I work and in the afternoon we are daypart it for more or less a team appeal Audience What is the program director of the 103 Is that correct so far? What is the philosophy at the they are basically the same as Curtis was talking about. We daypart our music very heavily. It does present a problem to make a short story long. We we play it at night and on weekends. Now the problem is developing because it is beginning to creep into the music in the mainstream kind of music. Herbie Hancock has some product out now like Rocket and Autodrive, which contains this scratch rap kind of music and so forth. And so we generally, to answer your question, keep it at night and on the weekends. Okay. We've got a question from the audience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2804.9,2909.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, ma'am. Yes. Well, Tom Silverman said that rap music was 100% cultural. And it seems like that a lot of people like it and enjoy it. I wanted to know why it wasn't included in the American Music Awards or the Grammys or do you think it will ever be? I'd like to answer that question. That's a very good question. Number one, rap music came along with independent record companies, companies that were not even companies at one point in time. And what happened was, you know, if you capitalize and you Motown's and your RCA is all you big companies, rap music just took the major companies by storm. It just not. Take them off the feet. And they said, wait a minute, here's all this new money coming in. You know, so what happens is when you have independent companies that are not a members of excuse me, the Grammy organizations, anything like that, then they tend not to be nominated because it's the independents who always come up with the innovations to be, you know, you have to be independent to be innovative. You know, I mean, in corporate things, when you're stuck in corporate structures and you end up in corporate problems, you know, but independent, you like your own boss. Okay. Yeah. And as far as the question is concerned. Rap music wasn't the only kind of music that is so so-called neglected from the Grammys. If you remember when Michael Jackson's Off the Wall album was out, which at its time was a huge album, Michael's name wasn't even called at the Grammys. It won nothing. So it depends from time to time. There are a lot of political things. And as Curtis mentioned, those are reggae music awards. That's right. That's why I have to admit that, yeah, popular demand in politics, there's no question about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=2909.84,3007.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A rap music is basically considered R\u0026B music, black music. Everybody knows R\u0026B music has a hard enough time crossing over to pop music. So it's simply politics and popularity. And I'd also like to say something, if I can, to Tim. And I had the pleasure of being in Los Angeles just last week at the Grammys, and to actually see, you know, all the politicking and actually see all the stars there just hanging out, you know, all night long, we had a great time. Let me ask you something, though, now. Radio. Radio stations, just like most things have to do with advertising. And advertising is generally pipe to the 18 to 49 year olds. And yet rap music is geared to the younger crowd. How do you answer to advertisers to keep the radio stations in the money? Well, A, that's a big myth. A lot of kids turn on the radio and parents would rather them do that than go out and steal something. If have the kids turn it on, the parents have a chance to listen to. And you'd be amazed how many household households have kids and parents. Okay. Thank you. We're going to take a call. I do want to talk to our three deejays. Yes, go ahead. Hello, my name is. Please don't listen to your television. Talk directly to us. My name. I would like to talk to Jay Russell. Go ahead. Okay. We're going to have to cut you off. Oh, do they say Russell already? Let's go to another line and some one at home. Okay. Either of you want to answer the question about advertising? Well, you know, the advertisers, the advertising agencies, for the most part, all they want to see are the numbers, the number of people that are listening, you know? You know, per thousand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=3007.13,3112.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, of course, you know, coming back to Russell's point, you know, when you have our young, young American people in their homes listening to the radio, they're in total control of the radio box. Someone telling the parents in the house and the radio's blasting and they hear and, you know, some hip hop music is banned cause it you know, that means that you also have that adult listener and that that that teenage listener, too. So you could be selling a soda pop or you could be selling some some coffee. Tim Is there any redeeming value to rap music at all? Oh, I think so, for sure. As the question you brought up in the last segment, with the huge success of that record, the message and just bringing out some positive things and telling it the way it is, Although, as Tom was saying, it talks about the harshness of New York City and some other things like that that a lot of people may not care to hear, it brings out some very, very positive things in life. And by the way, you handle that phone pretty good, the entertainment value for the kids, giving them a chance to grow up and be able to obtain some kind of prominence in the music industry. Let's try one more call. I'll try my hand at it. I You live on City Line. Hi. My question is, Ray, Each of the deejays stated that they have limited they limit the playing of the music. Now, since it's so popular in the public, why is it limited? I don't understand. Why isn't it included in their mains performing their main distribution of the music? Okay. The bottom line is you businessmen, aren't you? What about the bottom line? The bottom line is the fact that we, you know, rap music and the in the audience with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=3113.03,3212.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not the only audience that, you know, that's listening to the radio. You have people that are listening in their cars. There are people that like they'd like to hear Gladys Knight and the Pips, you know, and you're talking about 15 minute segments and learning of commercials. So, you know, we have to play music, you know, throughout to the satisfaction, because I want you to do an example of a ten second example of rapping. Curtis Only do 10 seconds right now. But let's see, I was walking down the street just the day and I found somebody, people I didn't know what to do. So I turned the other way and I just started sneaking. I think. Jay Russell of WBB Radio and of course Tim lots of City line and the chance to read you James have come back and rap another day and we're going to rap out of here and come back with the results of our of the winners. Now. Well, we've had a really a lot of fun today. I haven't you know, I've got to stop for a second to talk about next week's show before we announce our contest winners, which is serious. Yeah, this is very serious. Next week, sexism from the pulpit, the study of women's role in the church and the study of how women relate in the church through the years, as well as particularly today. And if you'd like to be a part of our audience for that, please call us at 41, 13, 13 right now and make your reservations. We'd like to have you in the audience to address yourself to this. The fact is that our audience gets kind of tight whenever we have shows, and if you don't call in soon, then you won't be able to be here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=3212.24,3401.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if you'd like to be off of sexism from the pulpit, sexism from the pulpit, then call us at 481 13, 13 right now. But now, a lighter note, the results of the contest on today's show. Remember, we pitted the rockets against chocolate bogey, right? Right. And you were to vote by calling our special 900 line. We'd like now to give you an idea as to who the winner. You have the envelope, please. The envelope. The envelope. Want me to open? Hand the floor? I got. I have the Larry Beck trophy. Okay. We're going to I'm going to let you call it out. The winner. Winner. Drumroll. The winner of this contest is chocolate, buddy. You're doing good. Tell me who you are. My name's Richard Burton. Okay, let's introduce all the members. Michael Bauer. Daryl Mitchell. Come on, quickly. Mitchell. Okay. Tell this group how to get together. Is that how you know how to get together? You know? It all started when we had a club called the Eagles, and we put this up at the skating rink, and we all dancing together. We did them at the gathering. We started the everyone and the other contests. Yes. Which one? Well, we weren't. We won three or she can be one of them up with rhythm skate. We really went down the number one she performs where they cut it out. Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. The first the first thing I want to do is to make sure that I give you this lovely trophy from Larry Beck that signifies the fact that you have won the city line. We're going to try. I wanted to say thank everybody. Thank you all for voting for us in a. Iraq is better luck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886#t=3401.52,3525.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/105308/file/205886/transcript/48875/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Next time was good man hundred 86 and the rock and see whether they good competition Rock and chocolate boogie all the best together. Okay. Thanks a lot, guys. We really appreciate a chocolate body, 1386 in the Rockets 218. Unreal. Okay. That's our show. I've enjoyed it. 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