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A lot of people, in 68 and 69, suddenly become a very hot topic. After the riots, a lot of people say that the riots changed them, the death of Martin Luther King changed them. How did you change them? How did it affect you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=24.58,46.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you'd have to do that in two phases. I certainly think that I became a little more angry. because of King's death, I guess I really had the same anger in me as the people who were out in the street. But that anger just made me want to fight hard in what I was doing. Also, because black people had little control, I think almost an unconscious decision was made that that would spark the attempts to get political control. And it was in 1968 that you saw black people making their first effort for officers that they had never held or never been elected to. It was in 68 that Judge Joseph Howard ran for the Supreme Bench of Baltimore City. In the past, these had always been appointed positions, but this was the community saying, we're going to take it our way. That was the same year that Milton Allen ran for the state's attorney's office. And that was the year that I first ran for Congress. So I think that was a very. deliberate decision. I said it was unconscious and I think it was very deliberate to start seeking elective office so that you could be a part of the power to try to help people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=48.53,139.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You became a little more angry, and you know, Washington D.C. became angry, people all over the nation became angry, and there are a lot of people who said that anger in turn hurt black people and hurt the civil rights movement. Did your anger hurt you in any way? Did it hurt things in any way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=141.02,155.74"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not personally, not in my life. I don't think I was hurt in any way. And I think it's a mistake to say that the anger caused a lessening of concern for the civil rights movement. If you look back on that period, there weren't many whites who were significantly involved in the civil rights movement. And secondly... The problem had started long before that. Some white groups that were involved wanted to try to direct the movement. And the black group said, no, this is our movement. We want your help, but you don't have to direct it. That's when a lot of support was lost around the country. So I don't think that caused the turnoff. I think it was the idea of not being in the leadership position in the civil rights movement that caused some whites to turn away from us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=156.7,212.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e For someone who does not remember 1969, I wasn't in Baltimore in 1969.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=214.09,217.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e 68 or 69.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=218.53,219.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e 1969, the year after the riots, just following the riots, in a nutshell, what was that year like following the riots, the year after the riots?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=220.27,228.71"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a year, really, in which... in Baltimore and I think in many other cities that were affected by the riot, black Americans flexed their political muscle. It started in 68, it continued in 69, and it was also a period of a great deal of organizing in the black community. There were almost endless meetings about how do we now move to the next step, how do we try to ensure that our this one go up in flames. and the only way was to ensure that was of course justice across the board. And there was a lot of planning in that direction. I remember endless meetings that I attended, and all of them were constructive meetings. It was really a feeling of well we've lost a leader, now it's up to us to carry on, how do we do it? And this was not the Black leadership. It was the community. a remarkable degree of community involvement took place in 68 and 69.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=229.41,296.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm curious about, because there are black people coming from so many different directions and you always read about it as if it was this unified force. You've got church leaders here, you've got the Black Panthers who were influential. What was your relationship with black leaders, for example, was it this unified effort Or did you find that, you know, your viewpoints were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=298.62,319.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my relationship across the board was just excellent. I was very, very accepted and comfortable with the most militant factions in the city. Could work with the ministers, could work with the NAACP and all of the others. But let me just say that, you know, it's a mistake to assume that blocs would achieve that high degree of unity that would make us speak as one voice and have only one opinion. every other ethnic group has its factions. I look at the Jewish community when you begin with just a split in terms of the reformed Jews versus the orthodox Jews, the militant Jews, Kohaney, versus the more conservative ones. So there's always a series of factions in every community. And I think people make a mistake by assuming that black people have to speak with one voice. Most often we do on the fundamental gut issues, on those really basic gut issues we speak as one. But there's got to be room for diverse thinking and different opinions, otherwise it becomes a very sterile kind of operation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=320.55,392.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me what you did in 1969, or directly after the riots, I should say, if you have followed. What did you do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=394.38,401.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Immediately after the riots, let me say, I did some teaching at Morgan. I was deeply involved in community organization, became deeply, deeply enmeshed in the peace movement, the war against the war in Vietnam, and in a part of every kind of protest that took place. I was generally, I wanted to be a part of it. I had lost the election in 68, and I knew that I could have won it. Just jumped into it and tried to run a congressional campaign in six weeks, it didn't work. But we did so well, that's when I started planning to run again in 70. That was part of my agenda also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=402.45,448.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Some people have told me that you were kind of radical, is that true?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=449.95,452.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e mile mattered. No, a lot of people think I was radical, and I don't think I was. It was not popular to oppose the war. That was thought of as being a part of the radical group. It was not popular to speak in terms of black interests, black concerns. We'd just never done that before. People thought that that was radical. I'd learned long before that that you have various avenues by means of which you attempt to achieve justice. The legislative body, certainly through the courts and other mechanisms. But I'd learned earlier that almost always all of these had to be buttressed by activist protest techniques. And I was a part of that growing group in the city that supported activist techniques protests.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=453.79,510.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What price did you have to pay to get to a certain point to learn the avenues to go through and to get to a certain power, so to speak?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=512.34,523.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't think you start out really saying I'm going to follow this path to get to where we ought to be. I think it's trial and error. I think it's timing. I think there's a time when you mass 500 people in front of City Hall as a protest. There's another time when you sit down and talk with the mayor. So I don't think that there was any set pattern. If we were concerned, I know that the best way to say it is we were concerned about social change and you achieve social change through any number of techniques and very Very often they are not laid out in a blueprint for you. You know what the objective is You never lose sight on that but and then you probe can I go this way? Is it working this way? So that's the best answer I can give you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=528.18,575.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What was a high point for you that year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=576.18,577.34"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In 69, I can't remember. I really can't. So many things that have gone on in my life I just can't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=579.7,588.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What really hurt you that year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=589.51,590.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I know what, there were several things that hurt me. One, I saw the attempts by what I considered then to be the power structure, which it was, to begin to slip right back into the old practices that led to that bottled up fury that erupted at King's assassination. By way of illustration, there was a meeting in which the liquor store owners. wanted to reopen their liquor stores and rebuild them. The city was supposed to help them rebuild them, those who had been burned. And I asked them, I said, you know, in Baltimore, the liquor outlets are saturated in the black community. You've gone through a bad experience, some of you have been burned and looted. Why don't you move to another location? They said, this is the only place we can. have a liquor license and that suggested to me that there was a deliberate attempt to keep the saturation of liquor outlets in the city and that made me very, very angry. There was a pattern really of control and containment of black people that I saw beginning to reassert itself and that's why many of us decided that we had to redouble our efforts in the political arena where some power was accessible to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=592.63,675.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How have you changed over 20 years? Tell me about Perrin Mitchell 20 years ago, and tell me about the Perrin Mitchell now. First of all, I'm extremely surprised because I've been told about this radical person. You certainly don't come off as radical to me. Is there a bit of mellowing out, or what's going on? I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=676.94,693.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I've always been a nice old man, pleasant, easy to get along with. I have a very bad temper, and I don't think that has changed any. No, I don't think I've changed significantly. 20 years ago, I knew what... thought had to be done, and I still know what I think has to be done. Twenty years ago, I knew we needed to move into the political arena. Now I know that we have to move into the economic arena. That's why I'm spending a lot of my time in terms of black economic development. You can't really have political power unless you have economic power. That's a lesson I've learned. So I just put put down on the books. He's always been this pleasant, engaging personality who just yields to anybody who. I'm not excited about it. What are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=693.09,752.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But seriously, I really do, I want to understand. You say that people said you were radical because you believed in the interest of the Civil Rights Movement and that you were against the war. Those were not really radical opinions. I mean, where does this work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=756.06,772.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well this, this, this all obviously when you, when you couple street action and protest, mass protest with, with, with that, uh, people sort of, some people sort of look to me to organize a rally around a certain issue and I have the capacity to do that. God was kind enough to give me the capacity to give some leadership people to people they would listen to me. I think if anything, if any change has taken place, it's because of the changes we were able to bring about. For example, police brutality is not an issue in this city right now. It was a terrible issue 20 years ago. Uh, the police commissioner and commissioners were just ruthless in their techniques. I think at least we've ameliorated that situation and therefore you don't need to protest on that. Um, I think the answer is by what we were able to accomplish, uh, we were able to shift tactics. I don't think it would be necessary. as it was 20 years ago when there was a stable in the block neighborhood that was just stinking up the neighborhood and it made feel, I don't, we had to mount a protest march or city hall to get rid of it. I don't think I need to do that now with Mayor Kurt Schmuck. I think you can go there and talk to him. Other than that, no significant changes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=772.8,871.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What was your relationship like with certain government officials, for example, Agnew? Did you ever have any meetings with him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=873.4,878.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And I despised him, despised him completely, what he did in terms of the riots, that grand stand that he took after the riots was completely infuriating. And I don't guess I have much to give as to my legacy to others, but I'm so grateful I was one of the three leaders who first got up and walked out on Agni when he attempted to chastise the black community. I think Reverend Marion Baskin was first, and I was second. I remember standing up and saying, I don't have to listen to this. And the Agni was sitting up there flanked with all the military and all of that. And then we just led, the three of us led a walkout by the black community. I thought he was a phony when he first ran on that law and order stuff. And I was proved to be right, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=878.48,930.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, just one, two more questions. Sure. Tell me something that you did that you might regret, something that you would change, and then tell me something that you did, or that people in Baltimore, the black community of Baltimore did, that was on the money, very effective. I might get a lesson from it today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=932.61,952.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It would be almost impossible for me to think of something that I regret having done. Generally, when I participated in things, I thought my way through them pretty well, and I have no regrets on whatever role I managed to play in this community. My chief regret now is... Perhaps I did not do enough to retain that sense of unity that we developed in the black community. It was a very well unified community, and now I see it very much factionalized. And that came about, I guess, because of some factors we couldn't control. But I didn't, I, we, those of us involved, did not continue to. sustain that unity, to nurture it. And I think we pay a price for that. I know we do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=957.71,1022.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Could 1969 ever happen again? Could we ever get to that, or 1968, the rise? Could we ever get to that boiling point again, do you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1025.26,1030.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's why people get angry with me when I talk and they say, you try to stir up trouble. And I tell them what a very simple reality is. Every group has a toleration level for frustration. Every group does. You see what's happening in the Soviet Union there. Who would have thought that the ethnics in the Soviet Union would be challenging the government of the Soviet Union? years ago, who would have thought that the people in Poland, when they were absolutely crushed by the Russians, would rise up in desperate fight? It was simply because they had they had reached their toleration level of frustration. Now I must suggest that as I walk around the city and I see black men standing on corners unemployed, I see black youth unemployed. I see, despite the best efforts of some, the deteriorated neighborhoods in which we live. All of these things combined, it seems to me like a kind of simmering pot under cover. And if something happens, if someone turns the gas just yet up, that top's going to come off. I hope it doesn't. During the height of the trouble in Baltimore, a great civil rights worker named Walter Carter and I were riding the streets together. and we were riding in his car at night. And we were caught in a milk bottle, bottle barrage just smashed all on the car. I thought the car windows would go. And you see, people didn't care. They didn't know who I was, and they wouldn't have cared. I remember one, I said, Walter, what did we do? He said, just sit still. And we did. No flat tires, no broken windows. We got out of that one. That was, the lishing out was symptomatic. for me of the frustration that had been simmering and somebody just needed one thing comparable to what happened in Miami.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1033.349,1154.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think about what's happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1157.5,1158.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's tragic. For many years now, we've been getting reports about increasing police brutality in Miami. And most often, when you've had rebellions or riots, it has involved police. That's been the spark that set something off. I just hope that that can be cleaned up. Nobody with good sense once a riot. Uh, once during, during that... terrible period in 68, I went up to talk to some police. I wanted to get some more activist people out in the street because they were the ones who would stop it, not me. And one of the brothers came up to me afterwards and said, don't do that. He said, you were right in that spotlight and any one of us could have killed you. Now who wants to be caught in a situation like that? I don't again. But you've got to constantly act to remedy the conditions under which people live. And you've got to constantly give people hope. In the area where I live, deep in the ghetto, there's a hopelessness. People just don't think their lives are going to change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1159.21,1230.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Could you ever go through something like that again, that kind of atmosphere? I mean, it seems like there must have been moments when you were scared, intimidated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1232.65,1238.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I was scared many times, most of the time. I don't want to go through that again. If I had to, I will. But I certainly don't want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1239.4,1248.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much, I didn't have any other questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1250.03,1251.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444#t=1251.82,1251.82"}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267444/transcript/77531/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/531/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-006-002_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308465","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/531/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-006-002_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308465"}]}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267446","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - open-uri20250314-1605153-apa6uh.mp4"]},"duration":1272.148,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/267/446/small/open-uri20250314-1605153-apa6uh_1741972916.jpg?1741972917","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267446/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267446/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-marmia.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/267/446/original/open-uri20250314-1605153-apa6uh.mp4?1741972915","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":1272.148,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144686/file/267446","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[]}]}