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You've heard about the governor's four -year bailout plan, and tonight we ask the question, what do you think of it? Reverend Peter Waldron. A state has neither a moral or a legal obligation to bail out a bank. Madeleine Murphy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=83.92,97.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the whole idea stinks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=97.57,98.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=99.24,99.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Once again, the common man gets shafted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=99.96,102.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e and robert share most people be dead before they get their money out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=102.46,105.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll talk about the SNL crisis and the $8 million lotto and other subjects in the news tonight as we square off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=105.67,112.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=115.05,115.71"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e A common man gets the shaft, says Boyce Mosley. Good evening, everyone. I'm Richard Scherer. It is Saturday night. It is 7 .30, and it is time for Square Off once again. We're talking about the savings and loan crisis. We're talking about the Preston Report. We're talking about the Lotto and Martin Luther King's birthday celebration, the holiday, which will be observed this coming Monday across the nation. The shaft, you said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=122.64,142.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, it's terrible when small people put their money into an institution, thinking that the institution is safe, and then the institution's leaders steal the money in some way or the other, and then these people who need their money can't get them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=142.98,159.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, it's worse than that. You're talking about the people that are the head of these savings and loans. What makes it worse is what the Preston report shows as state negligence. The state has a duty to repay these people and fast because of all the terrible negligence that has gone on. Faster than... Faster than... over four years in quarterly payments? Sure, this is horrible. Four years, a lot of these people are elderly people, and they won't live to get their money out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=159.74,182.31"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And when the governor says the buck stops there, it means the buck stops there. The state had a regulatory institution that it put in charge of the banks. They had the Maryland Savings and Loan Share Corporation that was supposed to be in charge of these banks. No one was supervising them. Are the people supposed to suffer as the result of the culpability of state agencies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=182.58,206.42"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e And with all due respect, Moonshine Hughes does not have the right, neither does the state of Maryland have the responsibility to have to co -sign for a bad bank. Oh, we don't have the responsibility morally or legally. We don't have the responsibility morally or legally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=206.88,218.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It ensures that the banks are properly regulated. That's why they have all these layers of bureaucracy that says that the banks are supposed to be regulated properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=218.52,226.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend, the state was negligent, okay? That's number one. And number two, this missick, whoever heard of them, they used the state seal on every savings alone so most people, including me, thought when I put my money in a savings alone that the state insured it. State never did insure it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=226.43,242.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course the state has an obligation to safeguard the well -being of its populace. Yes, it is. But also the responsibility the state has is to make certain that financial institutions are stable. Because if a state has a number of financial institutions that aren't stable, then it affects the economy of the state and business coming into the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=242.22,266.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e When, in fact, the state is negligent in maintaining, as it were, the security of a banking institution, then, in fact, we can say it's negligent. But to make the state accountable for $50 or $60, $100 million, there is no way that I, when I came to this state and lived here, that I'm paying my taxes to bail you out of a bad investment in the bank. You're making it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=266.22,283.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You're making a contradictory statement. You said it's one thing if the state is negligent, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=283.14,287.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e There's accountability, but not financially accountable. Finan - Why is there negligence? Oh yes they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=287.43,291.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e They're negligent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=291.61,291.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the damage. Yes they are. That's the damage due to their negligence. The financial responsibility. Then in fact we need to see charges placed against those persons in government. You will see it. Right. You're going to see it. they are. You're going to see it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=292.27,302.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You're going to see it. Right. Right. But I love your surprise. I love you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=302.73,303.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But what the depositors are interested in at this particular time is getting their money. And I think the state has an obligation to see that they get their money as quickly as they possibly can. Now let's go to the next question. get their money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=303.97,306.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now let's get into this MISIC before you make any mistakes about it. Each bank, each savings and loan, is supposed to put money into MISIC in order to guarantee the depositor's money. It's an insurance fund, supposedly. It's an insurance fund, it is. It's money. It's an insurance fund, supposedly. It's an insurance fund, yeah. But then, if the state then takes that money and uses it for something else rather than insure these people's accounts, then they are still culpable because the money had been put in. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=313.74,341.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So what would you recommend?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=341.85,342.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I would recommend that the state increase its loan from the Department of Transportation, which it plans to do, and begin to pay these people off now. I think it is a terrible hardship over the culpability of people like Levitt and other banks that have just played with the money as if it were their own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=342.85,365.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The interesting thing is if this plan would have been put into effect in May when this crisis took place, eight months have gone by since May, people would have had their first one -fourth of their money back. But the governor sat and did nothing for eight months. We've had two special sessions already and not once was this plan put into effect We'll be right back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=366.18,386.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe we're going to see a backlash on Mr. Hughes. He can attempt to buy old court depositors' votes if he wants. But there's enough of us outside of the old court deposits who, in fact, take exception to the state payment. He cannot buy votes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=386.1,398.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think politically he is trying to build his fences, but he's pretty doomed as far as the other people who see what the government is doing in regard to people who want their money and need their money back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=397.62,411.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e let me just break and you know that jeffrey levin was sentenced to eighteen months for contempt of court for spending more than a thousand dollars a week isn't as imposed by judge uh... joseph h h kaplan his wife sentenced to thirty days fifteen consecutive weekends you feel that sentence is unfair","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=411.41,425.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's unfair. for the contempt. I'm not condoning what Mr. and Mrs. Levitt did, however, I feel that they were being punished for a crime that they haven't been tried for. Now, remember, the charge is contempt of court only. And I think that 18 -month sentence in the probably going to be served in Jessup is just hard time. I mean, that's not federal prison. That is state prison. And that's hard time with a capital H, and it's not against the stick. I don't think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=427.1,455.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I don't think that they are going to spend any time in jail, but I think they should, and I'm quite certain that the depositors think they should. You see, it's always been this in our society. If you have a great deal of money, and this is what people think, that you can get away with anything, ultimately. And so I think they should go to jail and throw away the keys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=454.49,472.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's say in 18 months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=473.43,473.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He's talking about the contempt court now, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=474.35,476.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think that the question has to arise. How does a judge decide how much money a family has to support itself? And can he make that decision? That's number one. I think that's a severe question. The other question is how much time is going to alleviate? the heartbreak that these people are suffering and is this a kind of sentence that's being used to, you know, ameliorate that feeling that they have when they were interviewed, the people were interviewed, oh they were so glad, it was sort of like vengefulness, but not on the basis of any strong legal principle it would seem to me that would make it possible. Let's develop another scenario. Make it quick, we're gonna move on. Make it quick. We're going to move on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=475.5,521.26"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Certainly, you're an attorney. You understand that what we're going to find is very wealthy people are going to hire the highfalutin attorneys. The highfalutin attorneys are going to postpone, postpone, postpone. We're going to be told a fair trial cannot be accomplished in the state of Maryland. We'll go somewhere else, delay, delay. It'll be four, five, six years before this even comes to trial. No way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=521.36,536.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No way, no. There's too much public interest in this case. That's right, I think it's going to come up in the spring. It's going to come up exactly when they said it's going to come up. That's right. I think it's kind of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=535.95,539.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e we'll be back in just a moment we'll take a look at martin luther king's birthday observance monday and ask the question he had a dream that was it realized or is it being realized in this country we'll do that in just a moment On Monday, the nation will observe the birthday of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the first national holiday set aside devoted especially to a black American. Dr. King had a dream, and tonight let's discuss whether or not that dream is being realized in this country and particularly in Baltimore, Madeline.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=543.09,688.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let's go in the country first before we go to Baltimore. I received a letter today from a man who thanked me for my contribution to the Southern Poverty Law Center, and he was a guard in a jail, and he wanted to be promoted. And he didn't realize that his supervisor belonged to the KKK. They burned a cross in front of his home and terrorized his children. Now, this is not just going on in North Carolina, but this is going on all over the country. of these cases that we don't see the news people usually suppress such news and so i don't think things are any better and when you think now there is more higher rate of infant mortality than there was back when he started that one out of every three black families lives below the poverty line half of black children are starving and are poor then the aim that he had to feed the hungry and house the homeless and all the rest of it are not being fulfilled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=688.46,746.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e We're dealing with two distinct questions. The first question is, in fact, is Mr. King's dream being realized? It is not being realized. We may differ on the causes as to why that dream is not being realized, but an elitist white and black middle class have developed a poverty industrial complex where we perpetuate the problem and do not solve the problem of poverty. The second problem, number two, the second problem we deal with is the right or the responsibility of a government to take care of its poor. That is not the government's responsibility. The dream is of poverty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=746.07,765.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The dream is being realized. The dream is being realized. First of all, you have affirmative action. You've got quotas being set, all right? You've got blacks that are winning elections all over the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=773.88,786.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e You're talking about means, not ends. That is not the accomplishment. That was not what he was driving for. Those are mechanisms which aren't working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=786.37,792.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you've got quotas and affirmative action. Yeah, but you're not working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=792.92,795.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e One at a time, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=795.23,797.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You've got minorities that are being hired, getting the first shot at most jobs in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=797.14,802.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e The highest rate of unemployment is among blacks. We've got 47 % of all 17 -year -old blacks are functionally illiterate. The blacks are worse off today than they were 20 years ago. It's going backwards. I don't make that at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=801.71,811.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And furthermore, when you begin to talk about the rights of the affirmative action, what is Attorney General Meese doing? Attorney General Meese, with the okay of Reagan, is slowly whittling away the laws that have dealt with affirmative action. He should. He should! to the show. Are you sure? to the extent that black people don't really have any recourse, any legal recourse. Such a racist statement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=811.09,835.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's such a racist statement. Dr. King The dream, I think, is being realized. One aspect is that Dr. King raised the conscious level of this country and the world as it relates to race. And I don't think this country will ever be the same as a result of this. We have a higher tone of morality and a higher tone of consciousness about... Now, the degree to which it isn't being realized is not the government's fault necessarily. The fault can in part lie with black people themselves. There are a number of things that they can do that they haven't done. For example, you take black youngsters in school today. They're not taking school seriously. They're not taking advantages. of what they have in terms of education. They aren't doing that. They aren't coming to school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=834.4,894.74"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think, boys, do you think that's because of affirmative action? I beg your pardon? Do you think it's because of affirmative action? I'm asking you a question. Do you think that it's because they know they're gonna get the first shot at a job? of action. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=893.66,906.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. King's vision was for a desegregated society, not an integrated society, and we confuse the two. That's true. He worked for a desegregated society in which no one people would, in fact, receive prejudicial treatment because of their race. In the attempt to eliminate that, we came up with programs which perpetuate the problem. Affirmative action is a racist program, yet quotas are a racist program. They have to be done away with to achieve this. Somewhere along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=903.57,930.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, somewhere along the line, you must begin somewhere, you must begin somewhere. And when you begin to talk about demonstrations and that sort of thing, these things have been going on with black people since the 1700s when Mr. Cuffee didn't pay his taxes because he couldn't vote and it's gone all the way up. So we have protested and protested and protested for hundreds of years. And somewhere along the line, these protests must show themselves in some viable form He's gonna have to med -light the rever - and it's gone all the way up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=929.27,946.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the Reverend is right, and I never thought of it like that, and I'm impressed with that argument. And that is that Dr. King was colorblind. Dr. King wanted no racial prejudice whatsoever. What we have now is racial prejudice. He was a whore! Affirmative action is reverse discrimination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=957.97,973.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never. Never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never We have to look at the problem we have created a poverty industrial complex, where an elitist black minority, middle class has in fact captivated the entire industry, which says that if we solve the problem, they'll be out of jobs. So we perpetuate the problem. More money has been spent on poverty in this nation than all the money printed from 1776 to 1963. Let me say this. Let me say this. That's the fourth one! That's more money! Listen!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=973.95,998.56"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me say this, when I was on the poverty commission and they began to give out money through the LBJ program, if you divided it up among all the poor people in the country it would amount to a six pack of beer. from all the poor in this country. And so therefore, when you talk about that kind of thing, then you're off the wall. The other thing is where would the unemployment be right now if we didn't have such social programs for some of the people? Because that's the way the things are in this country. All the other thing is we Because that's the way that things are in this country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1002.52,1035.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Ma 'am, you're living out of a 1963. Your vision is 20 years old. There are programs present today that black businessmen have come up with that will create incentives to help the problem of poverty in this nation, not perpetuate it. It's not going to help. You're contributing to the problem. No, it's not going to help. It's not going to help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1036.16,1051.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not going to help the 200 ,000 people living in the city of Baltimore who need help, who are illiterate, which our educational system has failed. It's not going to help those people who have no health... Peter, sit back, relax. Benefits, benefits, benefits, benefits, benefits. Put Madeline down for health care. because of the fact that they fall in a special category.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1048.14,1074.71"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In this nation, we've attempted to help the poor, but we don't see any progress. Isn't it time for the poor to try to help themselves? I agree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1074.41,1084.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree. I agree. I don't see that. I agree. But who is going to lead them to do it? Are you going to lead them to do it? agree. I don't I don't see that. I agree. But who is going to lead them to do it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1084.01,1089.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, you can only give out so much. The government can only do so much, all right? The government is taking care of the poor. No, it's not. They're doing it, and they're doing an adequate job. But you have to give incentive for working also. Poverty, poverty. And that's not what you want. No, it's not. Oh, they're doing it and they're doing an adequate job, but you have to give and... But Auburn is And that's not what you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1092.06,1104.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I have never said I didn't want incentive for work. But I said you had to begin somewhere. We began. And you talk about 20 years as beginning somewhere when black people have been protesting as freedmen, as slaves, since the 1700s. And it's the same thing warmed over. I'm sure you do. We began and we began and the government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1105.45,1113.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you know that the Department of Health and Human Services is spending more money on these poverty programs than in the history of the United States, and you mean to tell me that that is in progress in the last 20 years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1121.36,1133.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You said that people weren't poor and I didn't say that what did you say? What did you say? There were no poor","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1133.02,1138.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Who said that? I'm saying that the government is helping the poor and doing, and sufficiently. Oh no, I don't think. And they're spending more money on the poor today than the history of this country. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1139.5,1148.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's going in the kind of direction that will control and suppress a people. There were programs that we would present at the poverty program, and people like William Donald Schaeffer, who was sitting on there with us, would not be interested in economic development. He wanted to give birth control pills to 13 and 14 -year -old girls rather than have an economic program. So there were people who wanted it, but politically it's not So there were people who wanted it, but politically it's not feasible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1147.99,1173.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e It's time to take the government breast out of your mouth. The government's responsibility is not to maintain you or anyone else. You have a responsibility to contribute to the development of our society. Not be a parasite off of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1174.32,1185.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend, let me say this, I don't agree with you either, okay? The government does have a responsibility to... Where? Let me finish. to take care of the needy in this country. However, they also have a responsibility to give incentive, and Madeleine is against incentive for any of these... But I'm not! I'm not! I'm not! I'm telling you!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1185.03,1201.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm telling you, I'm telling you that as soon as the program gets going, the political hacks get involved and push the program so that they can have these poverty pimps who are making money off the program and not developing programs. Plenty of programs. But the program that we're developing... Do you agree that we're spending...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1199.78,1213.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But the programs that were developed, particularly in the Great Society, were really dead -end programs, and really didn't prepare the people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1219.0,1227.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree with you, I agree with you. I agree with you, I agree with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1226.71,1229.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that was a political ploy to keep the people in captivity. to keep the people in captivity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1229.38,1233.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. I agree with you there. I agree with you there. Let's get to exactly what it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1234.02,1235.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think, just to change the subject for just the final couple of minutes, of all the people who are trying to get out of certain situations and win the 8 -plus million dollars that are going to be drawn in just a few minutes here on Channel 13.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1237.15,1251.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e that are going to be drawn in just a few minutes here on Channel 13 in the lobby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1248.43,1252.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e in the lotto.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1252.27,1252.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's a terrible thing on the poor because the poor have the greatest dreams of becoming rich because they see it on television and everywhere else and they think that's the bridge. 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Where are all the outlets of the large majority of... You could be a - From the lottery. Enjoy the episode. Enjoy the episode. They're in not only liquor stores, which make a big deal off of poor people, but they're also in poor neighborhoods. Don't you see that? They're in rich neighborhoods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351#t=1316.17,1331.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144636/file/267351/transcript/77343/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e They're in rich neighborhoods too, I mean they're all over. 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