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Tonight on Square Off we begin by asking the question, if you were Commander in Chief, how would you handle Muammar Gaddafi? Dr. Edgar Berman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=67.02,78.28"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd have handled them like you handle any other insane swine. Madeline Murphy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=79.24,84.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I would ignore him. I would ignore him. All that the commander -in -chief, when he looks at him and takes any interest in him, is that he incites the other Arabs to terrorize.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=84.83,96.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm Dave Fletcher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=97.45,97.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e We take a midget and make him look like a giant by paying attention to him, I would ignore him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=98.4,101.74"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Pastor Peter Waldron. Terminate with extreme prejudice. We'll take a look at Libya and other subjects in the news tonight as we scare off. Spare all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=101.94,109.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=114.22,114.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Good evening, everyone. Saturday night at 7 .30. I'm Richard Scherer. Let's get right to it. We have a lot to talk about tonight on Doris, Nicaragua, Libya, corporal punishment. If we get an opportunity, what do you think about what happened between Libya and United States?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=117.77,128.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e states, you would do away with Qaddafi. What are you talking about? Immediately. One of the responsibilities of a civil government is in fact to punish wickedness. Mr. Qaddafi has demonstrated wickedness time and time again. I believe it would be a safer world to live with him removed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=129.02,143.28"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but when you talk about wickedness, that was not the reason that the Sixth Fleet went into the Gulf of Sidra. What they told us was one thing and what they intended was another. And if the United States doesn't have a less confused foreign policy, then we are going to begin to look like the bullies of the world and the jingoists of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=144.19,164.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e The question is not the motivation of the 6th Fleet going into the Gulf of Sidru. The question is, is what would one do with Muammar Qaddafi? Terminate with extreme pressure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=164.71,173.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But that wasn't the point. You talk about, and I've heard you say more than one time, talk about being moralistic and the government having a right to legislate morals. Now, it would appear to me that, first of all, before you annihilate someone, that you'd give them their day in court. In world politics, you just can't blow someone up because you don't like them. They may have a different style than you have. And yet, at the same time, you can't afford to just go on wantonly and just wipe them off the face of the earth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=173.4,199.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I say, you don't treat, I mean, if you were on the plane, which was in Gaddafi's hands, you wouldn't wait for a court to see what would happen. You'd shoot them down in order to get your, whoever was on that plane, and you're on your own. I say, what we have said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=199.04,216.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What we have said is that, first of all, we attribute the terrorism throughout the world to Gaddafi. That may be true, and yet at the same time we have no definitive proof. He has training bases there, and yet at the same time when you kill the body, do you kill the city? He brags about it. He brags about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=215.32,234.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e exporting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=235.03,235.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Gentlemen, with all due respect, we heard the same arguments before the Second World War. Were the European Jews worth a Second World War? When we recognize the consequences of our involvement in the war, we in fact would hear rationalizations such as you're projecting. The question is, that can we permit... Gentlemen with all due respect Yes. Such as you're projecting. the libyans to have within the perimeters of their borders the thirty two terrorist training camps they presently have in fact mr kaddafi is going to contribute to the nicaraguan sandinista government three hundred million dollars then in fact we have got to terminate with extreme prejudice by killing kaddafi","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=236.43,266.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't terminate a sovereign country, or a head of a sovereign country, no matter how much you hate them. Now, when you talk about the death zone that they were talking about in the line of death. I'm out of here. What are we doing in Argentina that has a 200 -mile limit? What do we do in Brazil that has a 200 -mile limit? And I think that this was actually a ploy to take an 800 -pound gorilla, to swat a gnat, in order to show the machismo of the President of the United States, which is gonna put us in a whole lot of jeopardy. I have a son in the services, And I don't want to see any kind of outbreak of war, regardless of what it is. What is he in the service for? All this man is doing is exacerbating the terrorism. Why do we have a service? Melon! Melon! Melon! Let her finish, let her finish. What is he in the service for? Why do we have a service?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=265.09,320.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He's in the service for a purpose, to defend U .S. interests. to defend U .S. interests.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=321.68,325.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I want to look at the reason you have a Qaddafi. Nobody's talking about that. It's all superficial here. But we were within the sentence of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=325.87,333.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But we were never in the sentence of international law. We didn't go beyond that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=331.91,336.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e 50 years following the Second World War. Back at World War.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=337.02,339.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Cut it, folks. Go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=339.67,340.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. Hitler, if you will, with all respect, was a sovereign leader of a sovereign nation. If you, in fact, do not think that we should have violated his space and terminated him, then either you are naive or you are seduced by real cameras. Either you are naive or you are seduced by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=340.4,351.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Listen, you enjoy red baiting when you can't think of anything else to say and do not, do not characterize how I feel or what I think. I can speak for myself. You just did. May I? You just did. Can I have that? You're an archivist, you're an archivist! You just did! May I? You just did!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=353.159,364.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Y 'all, these are the paywalls!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=365.97,367.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Peace. Go ahead. You labor under the delusion that when you eliminate one desperate or one inhumane person that you therefore eliminate that process throughout the world, you get rid of the Hitler of the world and you have other Hitlers. You get rid of Gaddafi, you have another Gaddafi. Then we continue to eliminate the Gaddafists of the world. That's not the answer. One at a time. That's right. One at a time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=369.73,392.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Continue to eliminate the cadastral realities, these men need to be eliminated, they need to be removed from the fabric of legislative governments internationally. You know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=386.96,394.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But you see, you are promoting or you are supporting the kind of system that Gaddafi would. They stand in the righteousness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=397.61,403.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=406.6,407.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The same thing. Hitler would do the same thing. Take them out, shoot them, get rid of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=407.12,409.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e When, in fact, the righteous fail to respond to evil, we permit order. It is inhumane in this country, in this country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=409.72,413.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That way Just let Isaiah finish. In this country, one of the things that we boast about is our democratic way of life. Just move it. that everyone's entitled to his day in court. I don't like Gaddafi, but at the same time, I've been imbued with the ideas that we must follow the democratic process. 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No, but - We assassinated them? Sure we assassinated them. Under John Kennedy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=441.1,444.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but he said that they should have their day in court. 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Do you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=449.58,454.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=455.15,455.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was in an election year when Goldwater was getting ready to swat Lyndon Johnson real good. And so they had to have a military program to get the attention off of Johnson himself so that he might win. Now we are Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=455.61,457.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that's bunk, Madeline, you don't know what you're talking about! That's bunk, Madeline. You don't know what you're talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=468.46,471.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We are talking about a military -industrial complex where the economics of going to war is very important. I don't know if you've ever read the Iron Mountain decision on the feasibility of peace in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=471.49,484.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, you sound like you think that the communists believe in the Tooth Fairy. No, no, I'm not even talking!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=483.35,490.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, I'm not even talking about the communists!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=489.15,491.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You were just talking about red baiting before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=491.11,493.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I am not talking about the communists. You were talking about red baiting. I am talking about this country and its terrible financial position that it needs a war to get out of its economy. That is so much Marxist garbage. No it isn't. Absolutely. Every 20 years this happens. Oh come on. All right. Talk about Nicaragua. All right. Tell me about Nicaragua. I'll tell you about. Nicaragua was a country that belonged to the... Absolutely. I'll tell you about it. the United Fruit Company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=493.84,525.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e stick back to Libya and we're going to get back to Nicaragua in a minute. Can you do that? You ever been to Nicaragua? Wait, we're gonna do Nicaragua after the break. Hold on. Finish up with Libya and what happened between the US? Was it a giant swatting a net? Is that the way you Nicaragua after the break. Hold on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=525.33,534.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Obviously not the war party the Democrats for years have brought us in the wars It's the Republican Party and conservative actions such as this that will prevent a war. I'm not talking about eliminate eliminate Richard I'm not talking about... Eliminate. 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This is not a lie, it had nothing to do with the War Powers Act.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=602.32,607.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was defensive. We're gonna do Honduras and Nicaragua and the big vote in the Senate on Thursday night in just a moment. Stay with us. We're going to do... Let's turn our attention now to Thursday night's vote in the Senate, 53 to 47, to adopt the GOP substitute amendment, sending $100 million in military and humanitarian assistance to the Contras. And there's been some problems between Nicaragua and Honduras during this week, the attention focusing there also, the battle, in fact, giving credence, more credence, to the positive vote in the Senate. But, Edgar, you live.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=614.94,759.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the positive vote is absolutely essential, because once a country like the Soviet Union gets their hooks into any other country like Cuba, they can export war wherever they want, like in Angola. And that will be the same thing with Nicaragua. We have enough trouble with Cuba, and Nicaragua is, in spades, the same thing. We're going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=759.14,783.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Are they going to export war into the United States? Is this what you're saying? No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=783.18,787.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but we have spheres of influence, and spheres of influence are very important. Well, the contrary. And if you don't know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=787.64,793.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The Contadora is a sphere of influence, which is the arm of the Central American countries along with Venezuela, who want to have a diplomatic resolution of this problem in Nicaragua. We have a flag flying in Nicaragua. And I hope it remains there. Do you think by any... 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That's over. Of course I do. Vietnam is over -finished with it. I worry about it. Do you like the two million Cambodians who died? Vietnam is over -finished with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=853.75,860.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you like the two million Cambodians who died because of Vietnam? I worry about the jingoistic attitude that you have and some of these people on this panel because you believe it's America Love It or Leave It, America Right or Wrong, and you don't want to listen to any kind of argument that... I worry, I worry about you, Jingo Whistler. Some of these people on this panel... Oh, God. Look at that. I was... I was more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=860.61,881.75"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e liberal than you until I came to my senses. Madeline, the difficulty that we're having is that you're sharing Soviet misinformation on this broadcast. Let's go back to the facts. We have a Sandinista communist government... in a nation less than a two hour flight from Texas, we need to appreciate that the Soviets have established a $1 billion military arsenal in the nation of Nicaragua for you to continue to share misinformation does a disservice to this broadcast. No, no, no, no, look at the night watch the night watch what No, not that. Not that. and you believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=882.04,900.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no. All you got to do is look at Nightwatch. All you got to do is look at all these congressmen, people who are discussing it pro and con that you don't even get to Congress. great reference point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=907.22,916.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e You've got Ted Weiss, who wants to listen to Ted Weiss? Here's a sympathizer with Mr. in Cuba. Anybody who disagrees with you is a communist. Anyone who has access to the sophisticated intelligence of this nation is a faction that should not repeat Soviet misinformation. is a pestle anybody who Oh, come on!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=921.21,932.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's the danger of what happened in the 50s. It's guilt by association. 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No, it's not preventing a war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=952.57,955.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no, it's not preventing a war escalate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=953.7,956.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e First of all, we talk about Vietnam. There is little association, relationship between the Vietnam War and Central America. Relationship between First of all, we're talking about thousands of miles away, and here we're talking about somebody in our front yard. That's one thing. The other thing is that there was something called, in history, called the Monroe Doctrine, and that, I assume, has gone out of the window in terms of that the Western Hemisphere was no longer open for colonization. Went out a thousand years ago, I think. And I think that's what Russia is trying to do, establish sites for her own ill purposes within this hemisphere. And I think that's what Russia is trying to do. And I think that is what we are trying to prevent. We can't have our own front yard. Can we just review the facts? Let's review the facts. And I think that is what we're trying to prevent. We can't have our own party out. 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Nothing reminds you that you need to provide - All right then, why don't we take the 20 -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=993.53,1018.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, then why don't we take the 20 million that we're giving to the Hondurans? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me finish. Who have 95 % illiteracy. They're the second poorest nation, poorest country in the central area. to protect themselves. Haiti being the first, why don't we begin to feed and clothe those people? Because what we're seeing is this is ripe for communism. You don't understand how communism works. If you're saying that guns would be better than butter. We have got to move along, Madeline. And I'm tired of you talking to me as if I am a communist sympathizer. You sound like one. You are the expert on communism. I am not. Guns would be better than butter. We have got to move along, Madeline. You sound like one. identify with one you sound like a Nazi. if I want you sound like a Nazi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1015.6,1057.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Order at the table. Stop. We're going to the local issue. The corporal punishment issue that Order at the table. Mad lunch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1059.29,1060.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I wish when Richard you would stop these people from from characterizing people just because their argument is different from your own I thought we were civilized people and we could sit here and discuss these matters without doing ad hominem remarks that have a tendency to Divert the conversation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1064.02,1082.28"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Madeline, I was just going to say that I don't think that most of us think you're a communist at all. 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But you have a right to -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1093.75,1096.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely, and we appreciate your making that comment. Corporal punishment recently, and we only have four minutes left, the House of Delegates passed a bill that would expand the prohibition against the use of corporal punishment to discipline children in public schools throughout the state. Some subdivisions allow it, others don't, spanking kids if they misbehave. What do you think about that as a way to discipline children in our schools? Let's draw a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1099.61,1122.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e distinction between punishment and discipline. Spanking, we're talking about. That's right. Punishment is nothing more than the chastening with the intent to hurt. Discipline is a chastening with an intent to correct. When in fact we permit teachers to punish children in emotion, in stun -out anger, it will hurt. I believe that no public school teacher should have the right to chasten any child in a public school. No, that sounds very professorial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1122.03,1142.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Madeline agrees with Peter, and that's good. That's the first one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1143.67,1146.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the first time I've ever heard her agree with Peter, but that isn't the point. The point is, psychologically, there are only two ways to really guide a young human or a young animal. They're both the same. No, they are not. They're exactly the same. And that is by reward or punishment. If the little bastards, I'm sorry, if the little boys won't do it, or the little The girls won't come around by reward. Oh, no. 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One of the things - You spare the rod though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1174.58,1176.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You spare the rod.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1177.0,1177.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say that there are all kinds of punishment and that there are too many people in our society who have sadistic intent in many cases in public schools. Secondly, if you use violence towards children, they think violence is an acceptable tool to fight their battles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1177.67,1195.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Madeline, you know, without when kids come to, many kids come to school, they come there with violence in them because they have violence at home. Now here you have a situation where kids will pick up things and hit teachers. What is there to be, what is there to control that little brat? 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The child was to be stoned to death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1217.82,1223.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what I was thinking of the way I feel about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1223.84,1226.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I feel about children. What are we talking about corporal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1224.94,1227.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e CAPITAL FUN!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1227.97,1228.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, get back on our pier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1230.52,1231.74"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Again, in some instances I would probably support capital punishment for kids who go around killing people, and there are some teenagers who do that. Another issue. Go ahead. But at the same time, I think that in schools, there has to be some control. If you don't have that control, some fear instill within them, and you cannot always instill within kids fear by talking to them. Why is that? Some psychology will work. Isaiah, there's not... Others, it will not work. So therefore, and again, I refuse to believe that 99 % of the teachers are malicious when they, if they were to spy address. Isaiah removed the children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1231.84,1260.67"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Isaiah, remove the children from the classroom and permit the parents to discipline the children. Well, we need to appreciate that the schools are the place where violence is taught, when in fact they condone abortion, when they condone homosexuality, when they do not establish a right and a wrong, then in fact we've created an environment where right is no longer right and wrong is no longer wrong. You've gone too far, Peter. Oh, I'm not going too far, Peter. You've gone far. That was a right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1259.41,1273.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter, the parents have already given the kids up to the psychiatrists. They've done that long ago. The parents have no control over kids today unless they're giving, giving, giving. There is no such thing as reward and punishment. Parents have had the rights to their children taken away from them. The rights? They're abandoned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1278.34,1299.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The rights, no, they abandoned it. I don't accept a generalization because when you talk about bad kids and how they need punishment, then let's look at the numbers. What percentage of the kids who go to school are in that bad class that you're talking about? Pretty small percentage. That aberrant behavior. In the in the in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1296.62,1315.74"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e behavior in the city. It's quite a bit percentage that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1314.42,1317.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a small percentage. And you know why? It's because in the inner city, you have mainly females in the... No!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1315.98,1324.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But I don't believe anything about it, I don't believe it, I don't believe it, because it is not so. If you don't believe it, I'm going to call your communists. We'll be back to read letters in a moment. Sticks and stones, you know. and I don't believe it. I don't believe it because If you don't believe it, I'm going to call you a communist. We'll be back to read letters in a moment. Sticks and stones, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1324.48,1338.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330#t=1345.59,1345.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144626/file/267330/transcript/77336/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, let's read some letters quickly if we can. Ladies and gentlemen, in reference to our discussion two weeks ago on abortion, Stephen Kinkett of Elkton, Maryland, writes to square off, thank God for John Lofton, the one man on your panel who's bold enough to take a stand for God and morality. As for the other three corpses on the panel, their opinions on this issue are as sickening as they were. How can they condone the murder of the unborn as a solution to an already rampant problem of immorality? Here's a letter from a young man named 16, he's 16 years old, his name is David. He's a foster child and reacts to the same issue by writing, I've been placed in six foster homes and four group homes since birth. My mother told me she didn't believe in abortion. But what about my needs? I need a family and someone to care for me. I thank Harry Evans for saving, for saying rather, that foster care is a poor resource for children. On our discussion two weeks ago about aid to the Contras, Earl Dougherty of Baltimore writes, I feel that taxpayers should not bear the burden of this tragedy. If John Lofton wishes to send money to Nicaragua to fight communism, He should establish a national benefit fund and give 10 percent of his salary as a start. And Charles Reed of Tacoma Park writes, on the same subject, we loan Germany, Japan, and other countries money to rebuild after the wars. Why not give aid to the freedom fighters to help stop communism? I like this country, but I don't like what's happening in Central America. I'd send money out of my own pocket. Write to us to this address, square off, WJZ -TV, Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland, 212. Next week at 730, we do sports. We look at the Oriole season with Art Donovan, Charlie Ekman, Gene Fugit, and Neil Eskridge. Saturday night at 730 when once again we square off. 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