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This is people are talking. I am Linda Harris. Richard Share is not here this morning. He is, as we speak, in the air on the way to California. I'm sure he has his dark glasses on and he's going to probably be signing autographs the minute he gets off the plane, although actually what his job is this weekend is doing some interviews for us here on people and talking among them, Lucille Ball. Now, just try to imagine Richard Cher and Lucille Ball. Can you stand it? I can't wait until he comes back. He promises that he's going to give me a call on Monday morning. So we'll see what happens and make sure he's not too busy to do that. We are going to have an exciting show this morning. I cannot imagine once we get started that you are not going to have some feelings about this one. Being a parent is tough no matter how you slice it. A lot of people are doing it alone. There are still some poor families in the sense that we are accustomed to them More and more. However, there are some unusual combinations of people who are raising children. And this morning you are going to meet a family. Let me introduce you first to Joy Schulenburg. Next to her, Jeff Worcester and Bert Lamont. Now they are parents of five year old Veronica. They are also homosexuals. And this morning, we are going to find out how this unusual family group works together. There you see them with Veronica. Welcome to all of you. Thank you. Nice to have you with us. Let's start first with you, Joy. And when you first knew that you were gay and what your thoughts were about what kind of life you thought you'd live, well, I guess it's it's always hard to pinpoint these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=20.3,111.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, it's one of those you know, you're different, I guess, around the age of 14 or 15. And that's when I really knew. And at that point, I assumed I'd be a fairly solitary person or a person with, you know, a lesbian partner. And I did not in no way was the concept of the possibility of having a family, even though it was appealing. It just wasn't part of my future picture for myself because I didn't have any role models. I would guess that you were 14 when maybe in the early 70s. A late 60s, late 60s. All right. So you were having these feelings at a time that a lot was being talked about in society. There were probably more women coming out than than at any time since or before. Did you were you getting any support? Definitely. I mean, for example, Jeff and I have known each other since we were teenagers, and I was one of the very fortunate people who had a peer group, a gay and lesbian peer group in high school. So I always did have peer support and I didn't go through any traumas that way of feeling. I was the only one. However, I still did the only role model I ever had in terms of being a parent or a mother and a lesbian was fairly negative because this person had, you know, some emotional problems themselves that had nothing to do with her being a parent. But I didn't really have any positive role models. How about your family? I mean, were they my family? Again, we're all very fortunate, but my family's always been very supportive. My mother's key response when she found out was, well, at least I don't have to worry about you coming home pregnant before, you know? So you're proud.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=111.83,205.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that's kind of an unusual perspective. So they were not aghast in the sense that. No, no, I was this I was fortunate enough to have parents who said, well, I wouldn't do it, and I don't necessarily understand. But, you know, it's it is your life. And if you behave yourself with integrity, that's what's important not to sleep with. Jeff, was it different for you as a man during the same period you two were friends as as Joyce? I'm not a law school. I mean, I, I came out about the time I was 14 to whenever I realized what it was, I thought I invented homosexuality. And I was very thrilled to find out there was other people in the world like this. But Joy and I had been close friends, and suddenly half of the friends I knew kind of all came out at the same time. And we had a very good supportive peer group. So you almost drifted together by some sort of instinct rather than any of us knew clearly, consciously that we were gay. Now, Bert, you came into this group, of course, a little bit later. I mean, did did you meet these two as friends? I mean, were they friends? I met Jeffrey when I was 18. He had moved down to my hometown. They lived in Chicago and I lived in downstate Illinois. And he he was obviously was my best friend. And that's how I happened to meet Jeff. And then I met Joy through Jeff. And then I moved to San Francisco, and then they all followed suit. At what point did you get together? Because now, before you decided that you wanted to have a child, you had formed a living relationship. Joy Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=207.05,303.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we were living together as roommates. We'd all in various combinations for, you know, economic and friendship reasons had lived together over the years. And when we all moved to San Francisco in 79, I guess it was, we found it was much more economical to share. Flat. So it evolved out of that very tight friendship of, you know, ten, 11 years duration and really came together first you lived with. It's hard to say. She lived by herself. And Jeff and I were roommates. And then we were spending lots and lots of time together going to clubs and just hanging out. And we decided that would be like to, I said, more economical to move in together. And so that is what we did. Did that inhibit the two of you as lovers? I mean, we would love, you know, just very much simultaneously. I mean, within maybe a matter of weeks that they are together. The interpersonal dynamics, it's like people suddenly wake up and realize the potential that you have in relationships for either being lovers or for being parents or for working together. And, you know, on something creative. It was just the dynamics. We were mature enough at that point and I think ready to explore. We were stable and mature in certain areas, not in all areas, but in enough that we were ready to explore something that up till then had seemed way beyond a sway. You know, that's something you do when you grew up, and I think we grew up. Were you involved with anyone when you made this family relationship? What were you up to? I was busy being, you know, a single working woman, basically. I wasn't heavily involved with anybody. I mean, you know, there were some, you know, acquaintances possibilities, but this took precedence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=303.32,403.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now, didn't you think I mean, the first thing that I would think if I were interested ultimately in a 1 to 1 relationship, I move in with two guys. It doesn't limit what you can do. So not necessarily because of the I think part of it is San Francisco's environment. And part of it is simply we had our own space. We had this enormous flat. So it wasn't like we were breathing down one another's necks all the time, you know? I'm sorry. Go ahead. We all had doors to shut. We all had our own room so we could get away from each other. All right, so you had enough space and enough privacy. So life was fairly normal. How did you divide up household duties and things like that? Were there any conflicts? I mean, you were creating a family into which later this child was going to come. What kind of family was it? I think at that point it was friends. We were very much busy being creative, single people that, you know, we were very social and very busy. And, you know, for example, our housekeeping was fairly chaotic depending on who wanted to do what. Well, it wasn't until we decided to have the child that we really settled down and allocated responsibilities in a clear cut way. But now, before was it before you decided to have the child that that Jeff and Bert became lovers shortly before, shortly before? Did you ever feel, I mean, like odd person out in that relationship here, these two people that you live with falling in love and you are not falling in love with either of them? I certainly I mean, and to some extent, I still do envy their emotional bond, their, you know, the the fulfillment that they get out of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=404.18,490.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, that's the one part of my life that isn't really that fulfilled. However, my life so busy that it's a small part. Yeah. You know, there are times I look at it and go, Boy, I'd love to have what they have. I think a lot of people look at any relationship between two people and have that. So I think our audience can certainly identify with that part of it. All right. Now, at this point, just to bring you up to date, if you are feeling a little bit confused, we have three people living together, two men in a in a love hate relationship and a gay woman. When we come back, we will talk about how the decision to have a child came about. And I know you must have questions. You can give us a call at 481 1313. We will be back in just a minute. This is people are talking. If you're just joining us, we're talking with three people who live together in harmony. They are two gay men and lesbians, woman and they are also the parents of a five year old daughter. And we are going to find out how this child came about. Who knew? First they wanted to be a parent? I think it was. You know, me. All right. We were in the park. Jeff and I walking and Golden Gate Park, the children's park. And there was a man on the playground and he had his kids, and it looked good. And we started thinking, wouldn't that be nice? How did you how did you even say it to each other? Obviously, the two of you cannot make a baby. So what do you say in that kind of situation? Let's go. Love to have a child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=491.36,713.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We would love to have a child. And we're best friends with a woman who is just I mean, intimate, intimate family friend. That possibility is there. I think they'd also had more exposure to children. They they had a sense even before that particular incident, they may have crystallized it for them, but they had a sense that they wanted to be parents. They both helped either raise younger brothers or sisters or other people's kids. Did they have to convince you? Was this a proposal made to you, Joanne? We had this great idea. Let's sit down after dinner. Sort of. I think they remembered a little difference. And it was one of those late night coffee clutches, you know, where you sitting around the 3 a.m. discussing, you know, the mysteries of life and that it really kind of crystallized when they put it out to me. I thought, well, that's that's an interesting concept, but I don't think I took it seriously at that point. It took a while for it to sink in. And then I thought, goodness, you see, what we were planning on doing was talking about having a family agreeing on it, and then setting up our household and our finances and down along the line, like six months a year, then start to work on it. But you see, at the same time, we were also developing our our new relationships, my relationship with Jeff and our relationship with Joyce. So all of these things sort of culminated at the same time. So how long was it from the time in the park until you said, all right, we are going to have a child, we're going to try to have a child together a few weeks, baby. And then it wasn't very long after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=713.94,801.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, you know, essentially the way I look at it, I thought my experience has been that when you try and have a baby, when you're trying to conceive, it takes forever. It's only when you're not tried. Well, while we it's I think we have to practice for a while. So while we were practicing, I conceived. I mean, I was really astonished. I conceived immediately. It is difficult for me to imagine how you decide fairly, not academically, but clinically, in a way that. All right, fine, you're going to have a child. You have these two men. And you say, let's flip a coin and we decide who's going to try first. Mean, I cannot even begin to imagine how you do that. Now, that's for that. I think that was part of the the overall bond of intimacy and friendship. We didn't flip any coins. We simply did. Had you slept with either of them before? No, not not prior to that. How did you get to that first time? I mean, it all kind of happened naturally, like it does in any relation. We were watching Romeo and Juliet one night. All right. I believe that. That that's what happened. You know, Romeo and Juliet led to it. Never mentioned that. Veronica. Did either of you feel any jealousy in invasion of your relationship? Well, Joy was trying to conceive. Why would she was trying to conceive? No, because at that point, it was very much a three way relationship. It didn't develop into being what it is now. Us two romantically involved, enjoying not so much The first year it was a three way relationship. We were all bonding together to establish our family ties. Joy is now pregnant. Did you have a clue as to who the father was or was there any intention to make one or the other? No, we didn't have a clue and we didn't want a clue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=801.24,903.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you know now just how seriously and what's amazing, since that bonding process was so strong, she looks exactly like. Yeah, right. All three of us. What was the pregnancy like? What did you do with your friends? And nobody is ever prepared. Nobody warned me about the emotional changes. Nobody definitely they didn't warn them, but that I was going to go through some radical changes. I'd gone from being a very independent person to being, well, much more dependent because, you know, it's just a psychological state the pregnancy seems to bring on. I, I never believed it until that. And there wasn't any support at that time from the lesbian. I was just going to say, I would guess that a pregnant lesbian is not a real popular person, that you become invisible. It's it. What it taught me is that people automatically assume you're heterosexual, straight people, gay people that automatically make that assumption when they see you walking down the street with, you know, like baby on board t shirt, you know? And until one day I walked into a cafe that was primarily lesbian and a woman walked up to me and looked me up and down, said, you know. This place is for lesbians like their dear, you know, who had to get out of here? You can't get out of here before you. You know, if things get awkward. And I said, Yes, I know. And she just sort of looked at, you know, looked at me, and it suddenly dawned on me that she made the same assumption that most of the world would be making. And how about for you? In the gay male community, you have formed, in some strange sense, almost a typical American pattern in that you were becoming fathers, not typical for gay men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=904.38,1000.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The reaction was kind of both ways. Some people were very intrigued by it, and other people felt that we were betraying our gayness in a sense by being co-opted into having a heterosexual. We formed a child closer together. But yes, that's because we felt like the rest of the world doesn't have a scenario for this where we're alone in this. We don't know anybody. We can say, How did you do it? What about the medical community? I mean, did you have trouble finding a doctor who was supportive? Did you need a doctor? We had we were both Veronica at home and we had a midwife. We were fortunate. We found a very supportive midwife and a very supportive birthing class and also very supportive pediatrician who actually was there at the birth to check the baby over. And so it went very smoothly. Back to was a joint effort. Now it has gone one way or the other. For the last five years. You have been parents and there are problems that we all have in common as parents. How has it been to raise a little girl in what is by any stretch of the imagination, an unusual situation? I think it's very similar to how it is for any family. I mean, with three people, I think the biggest thing is any parent knows kids play one off against the other. So we have to constantly be on our guard against that. But she doesn't have you know, she doesn't have a confusion. She gets a tremendous amount of love. And in my book, that is the key most important thing to raising a happy, secure child is to raise a child that knows she's loved and knows she's wanted. I think it's criminal that we do things fairly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1001.4,1101.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We do things fairly normally. I mean, it's odd that there's three of us. But otherwise, she watches. She. I mean, we would sit down and watch the Golden Girls, you know, in the evening and have the Disney Channel. But she has one person to call Momma. Yeah, she has two people to call Papa and Daddy. All right. And she is not confused. She's five years old. She's talking. Has she not yet come home from Did she go to daycare? So I saw preschool and say not everybody has to. Daddy, is that come up? She she kind of she said to us once, do pop us die a lot? Because she realized that her friends don't have a daddy and a papa. All right. So she thought they were missing. She thought that's most things in a broken home, because only that was the concept of it. But other than that, it's kind of we as she gets older and gets more understanding, we explain more to her, but we explain as much as she can handle at five, at five, she's not overly intellectual. How do you discipline I mean, I would think it could be. I mean, it's confusing enough for most children if they have one parent. He's the disciplinarian now. That's what it what shakes shaken down to him being that we have a schedule where we have like the primary responsibility for the child alternates day to day. So when she says, can I do this instead of having to worry about playing off three people, we say, Papa is parenting tonight. So Papa has the last word. You go ask Papa. But it it's also kind of gravitated towards I have become the disciplinarian just because it more suits my personality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1102.44,1197.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she's accepting about. Yeah. She accepts she can listen to me. I can be stern or in a way that she listens to. So it's just kind of gravitated to me. She jumps when he says, Do it. Well, it's nice, I suppose, to have somebody in the family that gets that. I know. Because she has nightmares throughout her little finger. I torture myself whenever I have to spank her. When we come back, we are going to take some of your calls. I know that you probably are there waiting will begin by doing that in just a minute on people according. On Monday. The redhead trans with hairstylist Louis Licari. Our first darling call of this hour. The amount, $386. The count five from the top, $386. Five from the top and right in a crease. 1752. All right. All right. Continue to do. See, that's a five. And that three $386 five from the top next Friday, July 18th. And people are talking here. Be talking about toys, not toys that are ordinary. Hello. Is this 8591752. This is Linda Harris from Channel 13. As people are talking, we would love to give away some money this morning. Do you have a clue as to count them out in a dollar for dollar jackpot? Well, I wish that you did. Sorry that you don't just watch us. And who knows, we may call you again. All right. Nice to talk to you. My life. It is now five from the top, $399. Five from the top $399. We are going to meet a man who says that many of the toys that your children play with are associated with the devil. He says The Smurfs promote homosexuality, that Mattel toys promote the devil, and the Cabbage Patch dolls are a negative influence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1198.5,1374.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Get those Cabbage Patch dolls. If you are interested in meeting this man who really seems to have a lot to say about toys. And we are going to I have a comment from some toymakers. Give us a call at 481 3000 481 3000 to find out about that. We look forward to hearing from you. Come join us. And of course, we will have donuts for you from the Dunkin Donuts shop on Wise Avenue. That's next Friday. All right. We are going to take some of your calls. Let's try line one. All right. There you go. Good morning. This is people are talking. Do you have a comment or question? Yes, I do. I'd like to know how they how the child's friends feel about her being in school and whether they ridicule or anything like that. All right. Absolutely not. Five year olds are very unconcerned. Most children are extremely unconcerned with parents sexuality, especially at the age of five. I mean, you know, I don't know a five year old in the country who goes to school and discusses their parents sex life with other kids. No, but I have a cousin who is eight years old and he goes to school and really goes the the whole line up with the family, you know. So that's why I was wondering how their kids in school react to him. Of the kids that come over have a very good time when they come over, they're not bothered by anything at all. And they know that there's a man to man, that she has a daddy and a papa. It doesn't bother them yet, but clearly, I would think that one of the issues that certainly must be coming up along about now, when people say there are two men there, that one of the issues is that they are two gay men and that people now, of course, are worried about Aids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1376.03,1491.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they say, should we let our child go over there and catch something? I think basically that's an absurdity. And most people you have to realize we live in San Francisco and most people are well-educated. They recognize that Aids is not casually transmitted disease and that Aids is not transmitted by any means that is common between an adult and a child. I think that eliminates first off, I can't stress that strongly. And so you feel you're dealing with people who have a level of sophistication and with very carefully, you know, chosen a school or preschool environment that supports that. It's biracial, it's bi lingual, bi lingual. It's, you know, but. Well, with with you there. Yes, it is. You know, and if someone wants to ask, well, are all the parents in that school gay? And as you know, as far as I know, we're the only ones. I mean, there may be others, but they're not as vocal as we are. All right. Let's take one more call, then we'll go out and see what our audience has to say. Good morning. This is people are talking. Do you have a question? Yes. My name is David. I'm wondering, who is the legal age of who is registered as the legal father of of the girl? And what are the long term plans as far as who's going to remain the father or the mother? And did your guest have a contract before the birth of the child? Good. Good question. No, And we should have I do counseling with people who are considering having children. And probably the first thing I tell them is get a contract, go to a lawyer. However, we sort of we broke a lot of ground here and we're not very sophisticated about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1491.85,1590.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we don't have a contract. We should in terms of who the father is, we deliberately do not say we don't know who the biological father is. We want it that way. All right. We let that caller go. We do have people in our audience who had a lot of questions. And I'd like to ask someone who is familiar, I think, to all of you from Square hour, Peter Waldron, you want to hop up here? Now, I know. Hop on the side of me, Peter, so I can really get a good look at you. Now I know you have some opinion. Let me preface what I'm about to say by saying that I understand that sort of on the Bay is a different circumstance, a different situation than much of the nation. Well, let me preface that by saying this. Number one, your relationship mocks the law of God. The law of God serves as the foundation for every successful society, when in fact, the relationship violates those laws, we make our entire nation vulnerable to corruption from within, as well as from an out. Number two, Recently, the Supreme Court ruled that acts of sodomy are in fact, not permitted or not protected under our Constitution. Therefore, the three of you were involved in a criminal act, which, in fact, to raise a child in an environment which engages in criminal activity is, in fact, an affront to parenting. Let me stop you right there. I think you've made your point before you respond to the first part of what Peter said. How do you respond to the fact that the Supreme Court has, in a sense, ruled against your lifestyle by feeling that? I believe the Supreme Court's decision is unconstitutional, that it presumes to judge private behavior, which I believe is against the First Amendment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1590.31,1687.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have very strong feelings about that, too. The Supreme Court did not make a carte blanche ruling on sodomy itself. It upheld a specific state's law, which is not applicable to us living in California. All right. Now, that takes care of the legal side. But this is a very angry man who stands for who I know, believes what he says. And I do feel he represents more than the people who are here and many people who watch. How do you how do you respond to that? I respond by saying that the Lord Jesus Christ told us to love one another and that that is the primary law by which I live. And I will stand on that and that debate theology with our theologian. Let me just respond, if I may, to the fact what Jesus said about loving, as it were, one another. The word love does not mean that we embrace another person's sin or violation of his law. Love tells me that I am to separate you from your sin, and I would encourage you to discontinue that activity. But the third point I would like to surface is that we recognize in the city of San Francisco a great number. In fact, close to 90% of the male homosexuals are in fact carrying the Aids antibody. That's inaccurate. Are we in fact, either one of the two of you gentlemen in a place where you're jeopardizing the opportunity for your daughter to be raising the bar or one of you are going to die because of your behavior, the odds of somebody dying in a car accident are extremely high. Our ideology is men carry the day by living in a world today, by living in a world where the government supports war and nuclear arms as opposed to food for children and support for pregnant women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1688.96,1792.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are living in a world where children may live without parents. The question is, are either one of you carrying the Aids antibiotic? Neither one of us knows, and the antibody test has nothing medically to do with the idea. Are you at all concerned about the risk involved? No, because, as I said earlier, Aids is not transmitted by the kind of contact that parent and child have had on it. Peter, can you honestly say I mean, I think that so many people who are heterosexual worry about the possibility of somehow getting Aids. It seems really difficult for me to believe that just having existed in the gay community, how does anyone not worry? We worry about it much. It's very scary to think you might lose your life for something that happened years ago. But all we can do now is take every precaution we can and stay absolutely safe and hope for the best. Trust your cavalier approach to Aids is disarming everybody, because we recognize from government studies being produced that the homosexual community is aggressively pursuing education to discontinue as much of that behavior as possible. And you're saying there's no problem, there is a problem with Aids? I don't think anybody is saying I didn't say there was no problem. But we're very concerned and I'm also educated about it. I live in San Francisco where the facts are there. The fact is there has never been a case of a child getting Aids from a parent other than in utero, from a mother with Aids or through mother's milk, from a mother with Aids or through a blood transfusion in a hospital. Those are the only cases of children getting Aids. And this is two day old information. Would take one more comment in the city in the state of Pennsylvania.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1793.39,1898.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there not a man with Aids who gave Aids to his wife who, in fact birth the. While he was carrying the Aids virus. I've never heard that. That's correct. It happens every year. That's like every incidence of children. That makes an exception to his excuse. No, no. The child did not get it from the father by exposure to the father speaking up. I'm not concerned about the daughter right now. I'm concerned about the child. You okay? The thing you have to be aware of is that I do not believe my daughter is in danger. The all the children who have contracted it from their mothers in utero show symptoms right away. On that note, I'm going to ask Peter to sit down. We are going to take a break. We'll be back to continue this discussion. And obviously, while Aids is one issue, there are certainly many other issues involved in such an unusual family lifestyle. We will be dealing with those when we come back. On Tuesday, meet a man whose roommate stole his identity and almost ruined his life. Now it's time for people out trading. Here are today's items. If you have an item to sell or trade, send a postcard to. People are trading. WJC to Baltimore, Maryland. 21211. Include a description of the item, its cost and your name and phone number. We cannot accept houses, cards or dealer trades. Sorry, we cannot guarantee air time. And that's what people are trading today. And remember, it's absolutely free. How do you feel about the idea of a lesbian woman and two gay men raising a child? Well, our audience at home and here in the studio certainly has some feeling about this unusual family. And I suspect that you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=1899.02,2191.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I do. I'd like to address my question to Joyce being that she seems to be the spokesperson on. Joy, do you consider yourself to be a Christian woman? That's a difficult question because what I believe in Christ, what I've seen of an awful lot of Christians and the hypocrisy, I can't ally myself with that. So I'm ambiguous and answering yes or no. Q Could I ask you this? Would you consider yourself one that would make yourself accountable to the Christian, the Judeo Christian scriptures, a person that would make himself accountable to that? Probably not, because again, I don't trust me on translation. However, I am comfortable with the notion of standing up for my maker. Then perhaps the answer to the beginning of the question should be that no, you don't consider yourself a Christian. If I may, I like to share with you and I like to use a crib sheet, if I may only want to quote it correctly, is there's two particular scriptures I like for you to think about and deal with in the Judeo part of the scriptures. I'll make a deal with you. Do one of them. Have you tried in Leviticus? Well, you don't even. All right. Okay then I'll to do the person first Corinthians six nine says do not you know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators nor adulterers nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor drunkards, nor revolvers, nor swindlers. So inherit the kingdom of heaven. And I would like to propose to you that come the time that you have to stand before the person whom you confess as being Jesus Christ. When that Scripture comes before you, you're going to have an awful tough time dealing with that when you have to reconcile yourself to the kingdom of God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=2191.39,2298.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I just remember that Jesus Christ, that his hope whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but my life. And that's my bottom line. All right. On that note, I'm going to back up a little bit. Excuse me. Watch your foot. I heard someone back here say when you hesitated on whether or not you were a Christian, just say yes or no. Was that you? That's right. That's either say yes or no. That's what you mean by Christian. That's where I was trying to get a sense of his nomination, because I've seen there's probably as many definitions as there are Christian sects and various religions. So that's, you know, within certain terms. Yes, I am within other terms know within myself, I am a believer in Christ. Okay. How are you teaching your child about God? You said love. God says if you love me, you'll keep my commandment. He spoke to Adam and Eve in the garden, said, Be fruitful and multiply. He didn't speak to to homosexuals or to lesbians because they cannot produce another child. You're using your beliefs and say, Because God is love, he's going to overlook my sin. No, he said, If you love me, you'll keep my commandments and my commandments is this. And a man should not live with another man, and neither should a woman lie with another woman. No men said that I. That I said that. Well, okay, we can debate. We can debate that issue. And so arguing theology, I think that more issues that we need to get to. All right. One quick comment from user and then I'm going to go back up. Okay. Question I hear and you mentioned earlier that your mother was very supportive to you. She's accepting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=2299.26,2388.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought I didn't hear anything how your father responded and vice and also with the two gentlemen. How did your families you know, being from Illinois, that's a rather conservative area. When birth parents came out for Christmas birth, father took me in his arms and said, I'm glad I have a third son. Now. That's the acceptance my father accepts. I mean, we're not very close, but he's quite accepting my mother and my my my family and Jeff's family communicate with each other. They share a grandchild and they're grateful and thankful for that. And they love us off for that. And that's about. All right. Let's take some call. Good morning. This is people are talking. You have a comment, a question? Yes, I have a comment. Go ahead. We can hear you. Okay. Turn on turn your television set down if you're if you're still hearing us. Okay. All right. I like to say I am a married woman with a daughter. And go ahead to tell the class. I would like to say hello at first. And I would like to say I understand very clearly what they are going through. And it's not one person's right to judge them. Okay? They are giving their daughter love and they are loving each other through friendship. No one in the audience, no one in the world will have to stand before God on judgment day. It is this and they know what they are going through. I'd just like to thank all the people out in the world who disagree with them and judge against them. I would like to tell them that there are some people here who understand. I want to thank you. Thank you for that comment. Let's take another call. Hello, this is people are talking to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=2389.5,2489.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have a question or comment. Yes, I do. First of all, I'd like to thank the guests for living in California. What does that mean? Okay. Do I explain that? Well, I like to know when they're bringing the child up, if they're going to bring it up into a straight world or if they're going to teach it that they're being gay is right or what their ideas are. And I know area. Okay, let's a before you answer that question, I want to mention that Joy Schoenberg is the author of a book called Gay Parenting. It is described as a complete guide for gay men and lesbians with children. And I think that that does make her qualified because of her research to answer that question first. But then I would like to hear from the men, because I must tell you that I am disturbed by the fact that you are the spokesperson in this group. And we hear less from the two men. I have to tell you, that is a problem for me. But go ahead. You wrote the book. How do you respond? I think that I need a better clarification of what he was asking. I didn't get a strong sense of question. He's concerned about whether you will bring your daughter up in a gay or a straight world. I don't think you can bring a child up in an exclusively gay world because there aren't enough children. There's an increasing number of children. And she does have parents whose parents are gay, but predominantly society. And the society of children is well, there's not much sexuality involved, period. I mean, you know, there may be other gay parents that we don't know about that she associates with. Primarily. She's getting exposed to what any other child get exposed to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=2489.97,2588.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Plus, she is seeing an example that some homosexuals can have a very positive relationship and can be supportive and loving to a child. Quickly, from each of you. And then we're going to stop for a minute. Would you prefer in the world that you would design yourself for her to be gay or straight? I just wanted to be happy. That's the same with me. It's not my decision. It's hers. I want her to be happy and I want grandchildren. All right. Well, I think that certainly says something about what you hope for. We will be back in just a minute to continue our discussion. On Wednesday. Find out all about past life therapy as we take some viewers back to their previous lives. Our second call of this hour, $399, that is the amounts account is five from the top. The last four digits, 47354735. Don't forget, next Friday, July the 18th on people are talking. You can meet a man who says that the Smurfs promote homosexuality. Mattel toys promote the devil and that the Cabbage Patch dolls are also pretty suspect. He thinks they are a negative influence. That is next Friday, July the 18th on people are talking. I suspect many of you have at least one of those toys in your children's closet. So you might want to come down and find out what this gentleman has to say about that. Not sure anybody is at home. At 3564 735356 4735. I'll let it ring a couple more times. Don't forget on Monday, you are going to see in our very own studio, perhaps a brunet, maybe a blond who is someone with black hair become a red hot red hair Redhead. Louis Licari will be here and he's going to do that for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=2588.87,2822.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 to 5 Top. The new amount is $412. Five, tops. $412. There will be another tall in this hour. Don't forget us. So jotted down. Also on that same hour on Monday with Louis Licari, we have an interview with Tom Hanks. You know, he's the hot new star of the current movie, Nothing in common with Jackie Gleason. We talked to him last week in Washington. I think you will enjoy that. So if you're interested in the show for next Friday, July 18th on, people are talking. Give us a call at 481 3000 and find out how the toys in your child's closet may be dangerous in an emotional sense. And now we have this word from Lexington Market. Hello. My name is Pamela Carrington. The Lexington Market invites you to the 1986 Ice Cream Festival on Friday and Saturday, July 11th and 12th, from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. each day, there'll be lots of ice cream, eating and dancing contests, prizes and much more. Come and receive a free sample from your favorite ice cream vendor. It's free and open to the public. Proceeds from our 25 foot ice cream sundae bill will benefit the Ronald McDonald House. For further information, call 6856169. Let's take another phone call. Good morning. This is people are talking. Your question or comment? Linda? Yes. Hello. I can hear you. I'd like to say hello to Joy and Jeff and Burt and congratulate them myself. I just found out that I was pregnant. I am a lesbian. Congratulations. Thank you. Was this a deliberate pregnancy? Yes. Well, no. But I'm glad for it. I wanted a child, so it was great. But I didn't think of exactly. Now I could relate to that real well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=2822.77,2937.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like I said, they were saying they could relate to that. And of course, I think a lot of heterosexual parents are. We do not always plan our children. What is your living situation? Well, I'm a single woman. I live with a straight man. We're roommates. It's not his child, but it's very good. What I wanted to comment about was what Joy had said about bringing out the child. I want. I would like a daughter. And would I want to raise my baby to be a free spirit? And just because I'm gay, that doesn't mean that I am wrong. It's just different. And it's not wrong to me. I have a lot of straight friends and a lot of gay friends. Let me ask you a question on behalf of the people in our audience that I can't quickly get back to, who would probably say to you, you are wrong. You are flying in the face of religious scripture. You are doomed. You are bringing this child into a world that is not going to be cordial to it. How do you respond to that, that that you are cavalier with someone else's life? Well, I feel this way. When I first learned that I was gay, I was like 18 or 19 and I had battled religious life. I didn't know what I believed in. When I think about being gay, I think of all the turmoil I went through as a young child being attracted to girls that I thought, well, something's wrong with me. And now that I have come out and I am active in the gay community and I consider stable and all that, I feel, why am I happy now if that's not what God wanted? All right. I thank you for your comment and good luck with with your pregnancy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=2938.28,3039.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think you wish anyone who's carrying a child good luck, no matter what the circumstance are and good health. How do you how do you feel about the fact that this child is not going to grow up in a supportive society? And I suspect that the supportive society that you enjoyed as young gay adults is not going to exist. I would think that I can't say I grew up in a supportive society. I grew up with a supportive peer group of 6 or 7 people. Society as a whole told me I was wrong. Since I was 12 years old, there was something wrong about the way I was. I learned how to live and find my own fulfillment to my heart and my conscience. Anyway, despite what anybody said I should do. And I hope my child has the same strength to do that. I hope anybody has the strength to find their own heart, despite what anyone else tells them. But I was teasing you during one of the breaks as being the clearly the most maternal person here, because you are the one who already wants grandchildren forward to two more children. As a parent and perhaps as as the one who is the the most emotional nurturer. What are your worries for this daughter? What do you worry about for her? The way she's going to have to deal with peer pressure. I when I was growing up, before I knew anything about gayness, I was an oddball and I always had the peer pressure. What I was taught to do, I love, be honest, all of those things. It turned out that you really can't do it the way I had interpreted it. And that's what I worry about is peer pressure, even if we were heterosexual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=3040.43,3152.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's just the peer pressure. Keeping up with the Joneses. You have to do something because a group of people says that you have to do it that way. I think Bert had the hardest time with peer pressure, period. And I think we worry about those things that are, you know, that we had trouble with growing up. I, I researched and I interviewed over 500 lesbian gay parenting families that the country in the course of writing this book and I found out that the kids are turning out great. They really are. If anything, a lot of the kids who are old enough now to know have said that they felt that having a gay parent helped them really be good judges of people for their themselves instead of for what they were told. You know, instead of surface values, help them develop a sense of value on the basis of integrity and honesty and loyalty. And some kids said, yes, they did go through hassles in adolescence, but some of them said it really did help them. And the other thing I think that's really important for people to realize is that these kids have no greater chance of growing up gay themselves than any other member of the population does. I mean, most gay people had heterosexual parents. Without Smurfs. Without school. Find out about the Smurfs in any interview of a family in this period. I think one of the questions I would ask, first of all, are you planning more children? We'd like to. Again, with the Aids situation, we are waiting until we will wait five years the way it is, until we know safely that we're not going to endanger the life of a child. All right. So if there is that consideration, the other thing is what happens if you break up? People fall in love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=3153.86,3255.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They fall out of love. Who gets the child? We all do. And that's one of the things I think we would work out a joint custody arrangement. Her welfare comes first. First. And we are very clear on that. She's the nucleus of us being a family. So she's our pride and our joy. And you will build whatever is around her. You do not have a relationship at the moment. Fortunately, no. What happens if a woman comes in? I mean, you know, you are like someone with a you have a lot of baggage. We tried that. I know. The thing is a lot of stuff. I am so busy. I keep saying it would take an incredible person. They would take somebody who is as busy and involved with something themselves. I had a relationship with the woman for about nine months last year. She lived with us. Her daughter lived with us. It didn't work out. How confusing is that for Veronica to see a woman comes in? She is still we are still very close. We broke up amicably. Her and the daughter are still best friends and the woman's now involved with man and, you know, is a happy heterosexual marriage. So, you know, it's she she really loves. Well, we have been challenged by you this morning, needless to say, inspire a lot of conversation. The book, once again, if it's something you would be interested in, it's called Gay Parenting by Joy. Schulenburg would like to thank George F Wister and Bert Lamont for being with us this morning. We will be back in just a minute. On Thursday. Dr. Pennywise, Budoff Hanson's All Your Female Health question. While staying in Baltimore. People are talking. Guests are chauffeured by Paramount Limousine Service, the best in chauffeur care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=3255.74,3489.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hope you enjoyed this hour. I want to tell you once again, Richard is in California this weekend getting some fabulous interviews with Hollywood stars. Some of our upcoming shows, of course. On Monday, we'll have an interview with actor Tom Hanks. And of course, redheads will be turning a brunet or someone into a red hat. Stolen identity. Past life therapy. Doctor Pennywise, who'd off terror toys. All that ahead of us on People are talking. Have a good weekend. And time for our third call. I clean up my workspace here. Our third call, $412 five from the top, four under $12. Five from the top. Would love to give away some money for the weekend. Who can use it? All of us. 91179117. Don't forget next Friday Terrors boys. We'd love to have you come down for this because I have no small children's toys anymore. Is this 8219117? This is Linda Harris's handle for two people. I think you do have a clue as to what's in our darling $4 jackpot. Would love to give away some money. It's Friday. I'm sorry that you don't think it was $412. Five for a cop would have been nice. I know. Keep watching, though. Maybe we'll call you again. Bye. Bye. Bye. From the top. $425 for afternoon calls jotted down. Everybody says to me, we were just watching, but we didn't write it down. We thought you'd never call. We may call you five from the top, $425. Anyway, I don't have any little kids or toys anymore, so I hope that a lot of you come for this program on Friday, July the 18th, because I was very curious to know how the Smurfs can promote homosexuality. Cabbage Patch dolls. Those sweet little ugly creatures can be a negative influence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518#t=3491.17,3673.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/135765/file/250518/transcript/70475/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if you're interested, please give us a call at 481 3000. And coming up today at noon on Eyewitness News, more on that Sack Schaefer squabble. And of course, a lot of folks are buying $8 million lotto tickets. They hope they'll be worth eight. 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