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Some people feel that his candidacy is hurting the Democratic Party's attempts to defeat Ronald Reagan. Has he made his point in increasing Black voter registration and influencing the platform of the Democratic Party? Bennie Thayer from the Jesse Jackson Campaign, Anthony Ambridge from the Gary Hart Campaign, and Larry Gibson, a Walter Mondale supporter weigh in. Tea Montier interviews Lisa Williams from the Central Committee on Sickle Cell Anemia. Jaki Hall interviews Lena Horne about her life and her musical, \"The Lady and Her Music.\" (Scope and Content Note)","Be advised that this video may contain sensitive, triggering, and offensive language and content. 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And I just hope that, uh, I don't have to read it when I'm dead. 52 Mommie Dearest Books. You know about myself. Councilman Anthony Anchorage, spokesman for the Hard for President campaign, will join us, along with Mondale supporter Larry Gibson and spokesman for the Jesse Jackson for President campaign, Benny Thayer. City Line continues with Should Jesse Jackson stop running? And we're one minute out. He going back to the. Microphone Fitness could be something. 30 seconds. If I nervous. You. 10 seconds. Stand by. It's 12 noon. We're live on City Line. Hi, I'm Jackie Hall. And I'm Dan Hanson. The question today is, should Jesse Jackson stop running? Some people feel that his candidacy is hurting the Democratic Party's attempts to defeat Ronald Reagan. Has he made his point in increasing black voter registration and influencing the platform of the Democratic Party? Should he stop running now? We'll be joined in our discussion by representatives of the Hart, Jackson and Mondale campaigns next on City Life. The melody G2 is a free man. I'm t montero and I'll have that report all. And today on the entertainment page, we present a special interview with the one and only Lena Horne. And I just hope that I don't have to read it when I'm dead. 52 Mommie Dearest Books. You know about Myself. Councilman Anthony Ambridge, spokesman for the Hart for President campaign, will join us, along with Mondale supporter Larry Gibson and spokesman for the Jesse Jackson for President campaign, Benny Fehr. City Line continues with Should Jesse Jackson stop running? Welcome to City Line. As we said, the topic is should Jesse Jackson stop running? And to set the stage for that discussion, we have a video piece which we'd like to show for you now that was done just after the Georgia primary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=38.41,246.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From Atlanta came the leaders of the protests who changed the country. Martin Luther King Jr was just one. Others included Reverend Ralph David Abernathy and the man who's now Atlanta's mayor, Andrew Young. We will be marching on the shoulder of the road and will not in any way be interfering with the pursuit of traffic. Today, Atlanta is 65% black and the city is dotted with both poor black neighborhoods and upper income areas where blacks who earn well above average wages live. At first glance, Atlanta would seem a perfect place for Jesse Jackson to pile up votes and boost his campaign with endorsements from the nationally known black leaders here. But the first glance is wrong. Just last week, for example, Martin Luther King's widow and father and State Senator Julian Bond endorsed Walter Mondale. And Walter Mondale can win the presidency of the United States. The question of whether Jesse Jackson can win was raised more directly by Mayor Young, who hasn't endorsed anyone because everybody talks about his candidacy as a black candidacy. If people had talked about John Kennedy's candidacy as a Catholic candidacy, it would have put the kiss of death on it so soon that it never would have gone anywhere. Jackson's Georgia campaign manager still thinks he'll get most of the minority votes cast here tomorrow. In fact, he says it will be difficult for any black not to vote for Jackson, but particularly in Atlanta's affluent sections. It's not hard to find blacks who won't be voting for Jackson for several reasons. I'm glad to see that he's giving it a try. I don't know when America is ready for a black president. Are you going to vote for him? I doubt it. Well, I have my reservations about Jesse Jackson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=251.24,360.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What are they? Well, as to his sincerity, exactly where he's coming from, you can be really effective in what he's trying to do. You can't vote for Bush one. And who are you going to vote for? And one day to set the stage for our discussion this afternoon, we've got three experts, three political experts. First of all, Anthony Ambridge is here. Anthony is a city councilman from the second councilmen, a district of Baltimore City, and he is representing the heart, the Gary Hart point of view. Secondly, Benny Thayer. Benny Thayer is the Maryland state director for the Jesse Jackson campaign. Welcome. And also Larry Gibson, who is a political analyst who may be familiar to many of you watch Channel 13 on a regular basis and who is representing the Mondale point of view today as a mondale supporter. Let me let me just just I mean, coming out of that piece done by Andy Hiller from our sister station WBEZ in Boston, it is is probably my perception that the perception of the campaign is to a large extent developed by what political analysts say, what the what the press is, the issues, the the the expectations of the campaign and and how candidates and other people are perceived. Let me just just ask you, I mean, do you think that your candidate, Jesse Jackson, has gotten a fair shake from the media at this point? Absolutely not. Just let me just talk about this morning. As you know, the the on yesterday, the the primary of the caucus was held in Virginia. And the first thing I saw this morning on The Washington Post was a headline. Mondale takes Virginia, Mondale leads Virginia, something to that effect when we absolutely know that Reverend Jackson did win the popular vote in Virginia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=361.2,460.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I think that the media is not treating him correctly. He has said all along that the media absolutely is not treating him directly. Okay. And Anthony, do you want to respond to that at all? Well, I think by and large, political campaigns are are molded by the the quote unquote, free press. And and I find it unusual that or not unusual, I'm not surprised to see that Jesse Jackson has been that has been shown as a black candidate, whereas Senator Hart and Walter Mondale have never been referred to as white candidates. And I think the media, by and large, tries to to build a case of something that doesn't exist. And Larry, quickly, your response to the role that the media has played? Both candidates. All three candidate candidates have had their ups and downs with the media. This time, I don't notice any particular trend one way or the other. They seem to be against whoever has momentum at a given moment. Benny, let's ask since the topic of discussion is should Jesse Jackson stop running? Should Jesse stop running? You know, I'd like to liken that question to should Maryland secede from the union? And my answer would be absolutely, unequivocally, no. Jesse Jackson should not. Obviously we have a lot of people that. I guess the question I mean, that that becomes a moot point since obviously he said he's not going to stop. But but but the question is, is whose candidacy is he affecting? Look, let me do this. Let me ask that question and then let me go away to a break, because let's take a commercial break and then we'll come back and give you an opportunity to address that question right after this. The question is, should Jesse Jackson stop running? And I'd like to put that question to Larry Gibson, who is a supporter of Mondale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=461.1,653.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jesse should continue to run. I believe just his candidacy is healthy for the party and increases the likelihood of Mondale beating Reagan in the fall. Incidentally, this is not a new position which I've taken on, appeared on this show roughly a year ago and discussed this exact same issue. And I thought that the candidacy of Jesse Jackson would stimulate interest and the party would bring new people into the party and would further the objective that I think all of us. I think you raise a good point. I mean, it was the perception of few, I think prior to him following his. Oh, I think was the perception of many, but it was an accurate perception. Okay. But but but now we into the election campaign, we're into the primaries and we've seen what has happened in terms of the that I believe there were eight candidates. It started then it was six, nearly three. And and, you know, the point is whether or not, in fact, Jesse has made his point at that point roughly a year ago, I said on this show that one factor would be that Jesse would assist in getting some of the other candidates out. We're now one third through the primary process, and Mondale has roughly one third of the delegates needed. And so I don't think he's hurt the Mondale candidate campaign at all. Hart supporter Anthony? Well, I definitely think that Jesse should run. I think Jesse's running with a message and a mode of his message is that the silent majority, that is women, minorities and other oppressed, social or economically oppressed people are a viable force. And his motive, of course, is to register and motivate those people, that silent majority, to vote. And I think it's been clearly demonstrated that in the primaries, numbers have been phenomenal, phenomenally high.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=654.69,747.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. We're going to take a question from the audience. Yes, sir. Yes. I would first like to say good morning to all of you. My name is Andre Brown, a representative of youth for Election Awareness. I'm I'm extremely distressed and disheartened by the basic theme of this program. I cannot believe that we're actually here debating whether or not Jesse Jackson should run. It's only a question. Yeah. Don't people realize that black citizens are citizens themselves? And Jesse Jackson meets all the qualifications? Why are we here debating whether he should be running? And I think the question should be, why is there such distress? Why is he running? And also, he is addressing the the needs of the asset, the shut out and the silent majority. And why is it that the masses of people are so distressed as a black individual running for office? I think you've asked the question, but we aren't debating it because we all agree that Jesse's presence in this campaign is a healthy development. What we disagree perhaps about is the impact on it. I think that it will ultimately lead to Mondale's defeat of Reagan in September and November and enhances that. So I don't think we are debating that issue. Well, I don't think that we're talking about defeating Mondale, Larry. I think not the Mondale defeat of Reagan. Well, Mondale, the Democratic candidate, is doing. I heard him. I mean, come back to this. If a Democratic candidate is to win this race, I think they'll owe it to Jesse Jackson. You know what I really hear here? And and and it's beautiful. I hear Hart's representative and Mondale representative actually going at it right here on camera saying that Reverend Jackson will determine the outcome of this race.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=748.59,848.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's exactly what's going on. What I think Hart helps also, I think it would have been very unfortunate for this all to have been over at Super Tuesday. And Hart's emergence has brought in the yuppies into the campaign. He's contributed, I think, some some ideas and has added vitality such that this campaign is going into several states which are now getting mobilize. So I think Hart's candidacy also contributes. That's the beauty of the Democrats. But you also see all three candidates going all the way down to the wire, down the same, I hope, in July. I think that's likely to happen because each state, which does not have a primary doesn't get organized sufficiently already. Let's bring in the whole audience. They're eager to talk with us. Hi. Share your ideas with us live on Cityline. Yes, It seems incredible to me that the young man has already stated that in this day and age we're still talking about the credibility of of a black candidate in this race. I think that it would behoove blacks in America to give Jesse as much support as he can so that when it finally does come down to convention time, he can have some bargaining chip at the table. I've been watching the news media every since this contest began, and that's what I considered a contest. And that has nothing creditable been registered for Jackson as opposed to all of the other candidates that McCain. When you get 15 seconds to read something credit for one at this point is him you're going to hear the tactics that he's coming up with are very important and give some idea that there are a lot of people out there supporting him. Okay. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=849.15,940.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He makes a very important point that adds to why Jesse's candidacy ultimately helped. Mondale become president. It requires the Mondale campaign, and I think it's healthy to to stay on the course that is Mondale, which is very supportive of things that are that are related to blacks and necessarily leads to a rejection of any tensions or temptations. They might be the kind of go easy on those things. I think that's been very important. I think it will happen. But but I mentioned also when I come to in one second, I'm going to I'm going to just get in the Mondale campaign on this, isn't it? Isn't it a fact, though, that the majority of the votes that Mondale would have gotten from blacks were, in fact, going to Jackson? And to some extent, that's the reason why Hart has surfaced in the in the election. No, not necessarily. So what we have is the Jackson candidacy increasing interest and bringing in new people such that blacks are voting in such numbers now that in states like Alabama, Georgia and a couple of other states that not black people voted to give Jesse a respectable showing and to guarantee a mondale is receiving the majority. That's what's happening across the country. And I think that that's healthy. Black people are voting for Mondale and voting for Jesse. Okay. We're going to just take a tiny break in our discussion right now to let our home audience know that we're going to be conducting a special telephone pole. I love it. It's our special 900 line. And what we'd like for you to do is to tell us which candidate you would vote for if indeed the election were held now or before the Democratic primary in San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=941.46,1038.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You would have to dial one 970 202660 if you would vote for Hart At this point, If you're going to vote for Jesse Jackson, please dial one 970 202666. And if your candidate is Mondale, then you would dial one 970 209606. And we remind you, as we have in the past, that each call would cost $0.50. So please register your vote right now. Who is your candidate? And we're going to tell you the results of that at the end of the day show. And as usual, it's going to be a pretty good representation of what people are actually thinking. But remember that the phone calls do cause you $0.50, and that will do that. And we'll keep plugging that as the show goes on. Benny, I want to get back to the gentleman who called a little while ago, said that the media is, in fact, giving Jesse Jackson an unfair shake. I want to get back to what I mean, let you define the issues as you see it in terms of the media, you know, in terms of why he's running. Okay. Jesse. Absolutely. Jesse is running, as he has stated all along, to represent those persons who have long before been at the bottom of the bubble, if you will. And he is is making a representation on their behalf to not only to the Democratic Party, but to this country. I'd like to get back to something that Larry said just a few moments ago when he alluded to the fact that Mr. Mondale would become a president as a result of of what Reverend Jackson is doing. I would have to say to him that Mr. Mondale absolutely cannot and will not win the Democratic nomination without recognizing those issues that Reverend Jackson has espoused all along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1039.369,1142.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this is why Reverend Jackson's candidacy is a good candidacy must be recognized. Not only will he go into San Francisco, but after San Francisco, he will have his issues will have to be addressed by this Democratic. I'm not so sure that on the average would agree with you. No, no. Well, I agree basically with Bernie has to say is Jesse's candidacy has brought the campaign to a different plane and he's bringing up the issues that should be brought out. And I think then it's healthy for the entire campaign because, for example, Senator Hart has an impeccable voting record on civil rights, and that will be brought to the forefront. For example, his bill with Congressman Mitchell, a Commercial Revitalization and Assistance Act. These issues have to be brought out, and I think Jesse's candidacy has enabled us to do that. You know, we have if you were to hold it for a moment, Larry, we have a great deal more to talk about and some time left. So we're going to take a break at this point and come back on the topic. Should Jesse Jackson stop? Just before we went away. Well, a few minutes before we went away, we would talk. We were advising you that we do do a we are doing a telephone survey on today's topic, which is should Jesse Jackson continue running? But the topic is the question that we ask is if you had the vote today, who would you vote for for President Hart, Mondale or Jackson? And we've got some 900 numbers for you to call. You want to make a note of the number that you want to call for, the candidate that you want to want to do and remember to call cost you $0.50 for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1143.23,1384.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hart. One 972 oh 2664 Jackson one 972 oh 2666 and for Mondale, one 972 oh 9606 And the call will cost you $0.50. So we're going to announce the end to the results. At the end of today's show. We're going to go to a phone call right now. Hi, your live on City Line. Hello. Yes, go ahead with your question or comment. I just wanted to say that I think Jackson should drop out of the race immediately because it is all too apparent that there's no reason for him to be in the race. He's not going to win. But I ask the caller why he doesn't have enough delegates. There's not enough people voting for him, and then there's simply not enough support for Jackson. Sir, I'd have to say to you, first of all, that you imagine measuring Reverend Jackson's winning or one parameter, a parameter, and that is how many delegates he has. Secondly, I don't think you've heard our what we've talked about the dialog at the earlier part of the show when we stated that Reverend Jackson's candidacy will indeed heighten the debate in this party and heighten the chances of the Democrats sweeping in November and removing Mr. Reagan from the White House. How is he going to do that when he's taking the black vote away from money? Well. Well, he's the Mondale candidacy. Well, yeah, that's what I want to relate to that comment. Also, the whole question of issues. This is an unusual campaign this time. Usually we are trying to decide between the lesser of two evils for one time. Our choice is the best of the good. All of these people have laudable records on civil rights. I mean, Mondale, as back as 1962, led the first civil rights demonstration in Minnesota.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1384.77,1494.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He co-sponsored the civil rights bill that permits Jesse Jackson to do well in the South. He introduced the 67 and the 68 Civil Rights Acts. But Senator Hart, considering the conservative state that he comes from, has a laudable record on civil rights. So I think that raises this thing interesting on the basis of my thinking in terms of people who have commented about this election that Jesse can't win. Therefore, he he's put them. But look at what's happening. One third of the delegates have been selected and Mondale has one third of the delegates needed to win the nominee, roughly 1900 delegates, and that is roughly 670 40. Okay. So I'd like to recap what we you're saying for the caller is Jesse has opened up the democratic process in all three of the candidates want that. And our objective in the bottom line is that a Democrat beat Ronald Reagan in November. And I disagree with the caller. I think that it's healthy. I think Jesse has given us Democrats a more viable chance of winning in November. Now, Bernie, part of what many people have been saying is that Jesse will be in the position to broker at the convention. But then there are others who say that it's a moot question by that time because the nominee would have will have been selected. I firmly believe that. Absolutely. It's not a moot question that that the the nominee will not have been selected by that time. I think just this morning we're looking at 600 and something votes for delegates at this point for Mr. Mondale. Certainly that's one third of what he needs to win. I do not think that personally that he will have the number that is needed when he gets to the convention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1495.23,1595.52"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But even more. Even more so. Even more so. I think it needs to be recognized that Reverend Jackson, at that convention, regardless of how we look at it, Yes, someone will have to recognize his candidacy. How many delegates do you think do you think he'll go into the convention with Jesse? We will be far in excess of 100, I am certain of that. And but more importantly, more important already. More important. 70, right? Yes, 70. But more important than that, I think that Reverend Jackson, one will have the opportunity to address the Democratic convention. That's almost a foregone conclusion. You know, and I know that given that opportunity to address that convention, I think that you're going to find the delegates there recognizing that he indeed is a viable candidate. Maybe we just need to consider his candidacy is not going to be a brokered convention and Mondale will have the nomination prior to that time. I think that Jesse will be able to address the convention. Well, but but but regardless, I mean, right now, I think he does have an opportunity to get up not just for the nomination, for example, He's got to make a. The acceptance speech and all of the rigmarole that goes along with with a Democratic understand. But don't think I was having a brokered convention. Hart just lost yesterday. His home state of Kansas. I mean, the Hornets will have its last hurrah. Significant. A roar in Connecticut. Okay. And let's take a person from already in the bag by the convention. Yes, sir. Go ahead. First of all, let me state that I'm going to vote for Jesse Jackson, because I think that he would make a great president for blacks and minorities and poor people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1596.15,1686.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to address this question to Mr. Thayer. What is Jesse Jackson's actual chance of becoming the next president of the United States? Also, and why are black people at this time in the 11th hour jumping off when they should be running off? Yeah. Okay. All right. First of all, I'd like to take the end of your question, if I can. I. I firmly do not believe that black people are jumping off. If you will recall, prior to the Super Tuesday was the percentages of the blacks that voted for Reverend Jackson went up instead of coming down. So I do not agree with your premise that they are jumping off. Just yesterday in Virginia, I think that this, again, was an opportunity for the blacks to register that they are indeed on the bandwagon with Reverend Jackson. Now to the other part of your question as to his having an opportunity for a chance to win. Let me say to the Reverend Jackson absolutely has an opportunity to win this election. I think all along he has stated if we look back at 76 and we look at the number of people that voted, we can see that in some 15 states, had they had the vote just come out. We certainly would not have seen the outcome that we did. And I think Reverend Jackson has heightened the awareness of the people. And you will see them coming out not only in the primaries, as we have seen them up through the the the San Francisco convention, But thereafter into November, you are going to see. But I've got a slightly different answer to your question. Blacks are in large numbers supporting Vice President Mondale because we know that political maturity means rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1687.5,1792.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With Vice President Mondale, we've had a full career of support of virtually everything that was important with respect to national issues, to black folks. That's why Congressman Mitchell, that's why Mayor Good of Philadelphia, Mayor Coleman Young of Detroit and many blacks who have over many years have been involved. We've been involved in the political process of supporting the vice president. Let me just say, you reward your friends. Can I just say may I just address that one thing, please? Dad, if you would reward your friends, why not then did not Vice President Mondale reward Chicago and be on the bandwagon with Mr. Harris? Chicago politics play hardball politics, this one. But look, let me let me make a point that I think has to be made here. Jesse Jackson started his campaign, his crusade, if you will, talking about the Rainbow Coalition, but in effect, the black candidacy that the press, the media and in fact, you gentlemen this morning are defining for him indicates that he, number one, is not looking for white votes. The statistics seem to indicate that, in fact, he is not getting white votes, not poor white votes, not all that young, not anything. I don't know exactly what your perception is about Hispanic votes, Indians, Asians and the other oppressed people that he claims to represent. Is he actually going after those votes? No, I don't think I don't think Jesse is. I think, as I said at the outset here, I don't believe Jesse Jackson can win. And I don't think his purpose is to win. I think, as Benny said, his his purpose is to heighten the awareness and to motivate and the electorate so that the Democrats can win in November. What I want to know is why is he not going after other areas of votes today as opposed to six months ago when he announced the vote? Because I think the Jesse is doing the best that he can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1793.58,1911.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Democrats are determined to beat Reagan. We've got three good people. And the issue is who is the best candidate now? And I think the Jesse's doing the best that he can, but I don't think there's much doubt as to what the result will be as to who is the best candidate. Now, maybe sometime in the future, a heart will have a chance. A black president question, Larry. Danny, you know, this entire debate really gets me down because for one reason to assume that no points in this country will vote for Jesse Jackson is to presuppose that all white people are racist. Why? I mean, congestion is going to be in the state of Maryland right now. And I can certainly speak for the state of Maryland. We do indeed have the Rainbow Coalition, I think in Baltimore City alone and certainly in this state, you are going to see many, many whites, many Hispanics, many that are not necessarily of the majority voting for Johnson. And you would agree that that the press has ill defined, in effect, the results of Jesse's ability to pull together the coalition. Certainly. Okay. We're going to take a break on that point and come back and continue the discussion. And. We're back on Sunday night and continuing our discussion on whether or not Jesse Jackson should stay in the race. And we're going to go to line three and talk to someone at home high. Let us hear what you have to say. Hello? Yes, go ahead, please. All right. I am one of the many white people who support Jesse Jackson, and I want to emphasize many. And I want to pick up on what Mr. Thayer was just saying. When Jesse Jackson says, now is the time, our time has come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=1912.28,2118.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is his message has a very exciting double meaning. First of all, he is speaking for black people. And the fact that he is running and with great thanks to former Representative Shirley Chisholm and Frederick Douglass, 1984 is the time when a black candidate such as Jackson can run and go all the way and and run on the issues and run a very serious campaign. The other very exciting aspect of now is the time our time has come is that his candidacy speaks to the many, many issues that white people are so glad to hear Jackson speaking on. He's the best candidate for women. He's the best candidate for all the people who are concerned about peace in the world, because his program on military spending is by far the best. And there are so many of us who have been organizing and working toward important issues, issues of the disabled. We're going to have to ask you to bring it to a close. Okay. And the point is that this in 1984 is the time when people who stand for a progressive position on all the issues can come together under the Rainbow Coalition for Jesse Jackson. Thank you for your call and your comments. And for that, I would just like to. I would just like to point out first, I think the caller for making that call and also point out that in Virginia on yesterday to further give credence to the fact that there are whites who vote for Reverend Jackson. The media didn't make a big point of the fact that Reverend Jackson did take 40% of the white vote in segments of Virginia. And I think that should be pointed out. I'd also like to say to. Then I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=2119.13,2232.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You will always be the Tony. Then I'd like to say too, it's time that we refer to the candidates as candidates, not as white candidates or black candidates. And it's time to support a progressive candidate. And and I think it's very healthy. Now, you're not coming out in the doors and Jesse Jackson. No, no, no, no. Hi, Mike. Good afternoon. Um, my question is this. Do you gentlemen feel that our black political leaders are out of step with their constituents in lieu of the fact that Jackson is receiving a large popular vote? No, I don't think so. In fact, I suspect that black people in November. I'm so determined to get rid of Reagan that Jesse Jackson, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan could say, don't vote. They're going to vote against Reagan. And all we have. In some sense short range tactical differences as to how to go about getting rid of rape. But the unit analogy is by the nature of the question. I mean, the nature of the question presupposes this is this perception about the monolithic black vote, while a large percentage of blacks who are operative and have been for years in the political scene, says Ward, your friends and you, we do not want the Democratic nominee who is going to be Mondale to not be beholden to the black vote. So that's another factor, and it's a process of being realistic while at the same time recognizing and thinking it laudable that Jesse has a respectable showing. I would like Ruben, I would like to point out to the to the question also that this is the Democratic Party race. If we look back, if you will, before the beginning of this race, when Reverend Jackson, before he had announced that he was coming in at that time, you heard nothing about anybody dividing the party or dividing the race.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=2232.89,2354.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you look at the races, if you will, after Reverend Jackson came in, that's all you hear. Now, Reverend Jackson will divide the party. Reverend Jackson will divide the race. I say that we must recognize that this is a Democratic race. Now, following the Democratic convention in San Francisco, it will then be the Democrats against, if you will, the Republicans. And I have to on this point, agree with Larry that indeed our surge will be to remove, if you will, the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue this way. That's a pretty dramatic way to address your question, I think. I think the phenomenon has occurred here is the Democrats, in their effort to unseat Reagan, have joined the bandwagon early. And since then, other viable candidates, namely Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson, have come along. And I think if you look at the records, I know Gary Hart has an impeccable civil rights record and a union record. Labor race is coming down to the South Mondale, Hart and Jackson. And we're doing a phone survey today. And remember that you can participate in that survey by cast your vote. And I want to just thank all of you for being with us today. I thank God. I mean, this this is stimulate discussion at home. Thank you for being here. Thank you. We'll take a break and come back with two months here in this cab. Good afternoon. Topping today's news cap. Armed robbery charges against black engineer Lionel Jeter, who was sentenced to life in prison for a crime he contended he did not commit were dropped suddenly Wednesday in Dallas by the district attorney who said he had another suspect in the case. Jeter said the decision came with both relief and shock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=2354.62,2592.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's detestable to try to be painted as scum of the earth, scratching off people. Other people's back is just derogatory. I just detested the fact that I was paying for something other than myself. 26 year old Jeter was convicted in 1982 and sentenced to life in prison for the robbery of a fast food outlet and spent more than a year in jail. A controversial proposal to merge the West Side Skills Center with nearby Edmondson High School has been put on the back burner until city school officials can find a way to make the plan more acceptable to both community and parent organizers who oppose the merger. James LRC, a 62 year old Republican, tops our list of news cap newsmakers today. If the name doesn't sound familiar, not to worry, you're probably not alone. First, he was elected mayor of Atlantic City, becoming the first black ever to win that post. A political reminder, April 9th is the deadline for registering to vote in Maryland's May primary election. Those who have not registered have 15 days to do so. In the NAACP, executive director Benjamin Hooks has praised the House Consumer Affairs and Coinage Subcommittee for voting unanimously to strike a medal in honor of Roy Wilkins, the late ACP leader. Hook said with the action, the subcommittee demonstrated an exemplary moral commitment to civil rights and racial justice. How police respond to incidents of violence against racial and religious minority groups and ways of improving that response is the newly founded Focus funded focus of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. Noble has received a $130,000 grant from the National Institute of Justice to look into what some are calling a project long overdue and under-reported. It's that time of year again to put on your sneakers and walk for a worthy cause.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=2593.97,2717.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The cause. Sickle cell anemia. Next Sunday is the fifth annual walkathon sponsored by the Central Maryland Committee on Sickle Cell Anemia. This morning, I spoke with Lisa Williams about their plans. While we have a great walk planned for our fifth annual walkathon for sickle Cell two. We're looking forward to a large turnout. We've got several thousand people already signed up for the walk, and we're looking forward to a great day. Of course, it doesn't rain. That's right. Are we ahead of ourselves this year as opposed to last year? You've got a couple of thousand people. Yeah, we're doing very good this year. Area radio stations and TV stations have been very supportive. We've been getting out malls, signing up people for the walk. People are calling in. We've got prizes to give away. We're looking forward to an exciting day. When you into a media blitz is when you have campaigns and whatnot, when you get people involved with sickle cell anemia response that you get from the community, are people coming in? They certainly test it. They certainly are. They're calling for more information. The walkathon serves two purposes for us. Primarily, it is a fundraising activity, but in addition, it keeps the word out there. Sickle cell anemia, people calling want to know what is sickle cell anemia? So we're able to do two things use the money for ongoing programs, and then also refer people for testing and other services. As far as research in sickle cell anemia breakthroughs, have there been any scientific breakthroughs? Well, of course, research is continuing all over the country locally here at Hopkins. We're supportive of activities there. And primarily they're involved in treatment, diagnosis, things of that nature. Hopefully one day there will be a cure for sickle cell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=2718.32,2817.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it doesn't seem like we're on that road at this point. I feel pretty comfortable with the number of people that you've tested in Baltimore, and your focus is not only Baltimore, but the surrounding vicinity as well. Yeah, we are a Central Maryland agency and we do serve as Baltimore City and the surrounding counties without treatment, research, education and screening programs here in the city. We have a tutorial program in the schools where we are using older students with sickle cell to the younger ones. So that is a very exciting program. And we received a number of inquiries across the country about this program. Ms. Williams notes In the event of inclement weather, a rain date has been set for next Sunday's walk. That rain date is April 15th. Now more information about this year's walkathon can be had by phoning 7280073. It'll be heads up and all eyes on hair later this evening as the area's top black beauticians come together for their annual hair show extravaganza with the theme hair of yesterday, today and forever. The Zeta chapter of Theta New Sigma National Sorority will present an entire evening of hair wear and stylings. What was old and what is new? And a lot of in between will be featured. Tonight's show takes place at the forum. And finally, Dewey Branch of the third Bratcher, the third of talented senior at the Baltimore School for the Arts City Line Student of the Week. Dewey holds two jobs outside of school while majoring in theater at the Baltimore School for the Arts. Dewey's future goals include attending Southern Methodist University in Dallas and becoming a professional actor or comedian. Delegate Mary B Adams has extended an invitation to Dewey to visit the House of Delegates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=2817.38,2918.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Congratulations to Dewey Bratcher, the third City Lions student of the week. And that is today's news cap. I'm t mom. Tear Up next, an interview with Lena Horne. Lena Horne. Good to hear that. You were very much acclaimed one woman show and Jackie tracked her down recently, caught up with her. And here's Jackie's interview with the lady. Lena Horne, one of the most stunning performers of this or any other generation, is in Baltimore with her show, Lena Horne, The lady and Her music. The longest running one woman show in Broadway history. It is a smash musical which has won two Grammys, a special Tony Award and the New York Drama Critics Award. Though many have admired her illustrious 50 year career from the dance floors of the once famous Cotton Club to big bands and Hollywood films. Few have known Lena the person in the short time that I have with you today. I'd like to learn just a little bit about you, the lady, as opposed to you, the performer. You know, people see you and they've seen the image through the years and they see you as an extraordinarily beautiful woman, an extraordinarily talented woman. Is there anything ordinary about her? Has great insecurity and a great feeling that I've neglected many things that I might have done. I've neglected my friendships I might have had because of a natural suspicion and against life and a laziness of spirit sometime. That's the reason I enjoyed working so much with the National Council of Negro Women and Delta, because they took me out of myself. And I am a person that is lonely by nature. But why is that, do you think? Well, because I think because all my life I was I was a child of separated people and I was sent to live with many different people in the South.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=2919.44,3136.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I never really had a place I could call my own people that I could call my own until I was grown woman. And so I got used to the the tangibility of loneliness. I'm not alone. I'm surrounded by people all the time. But it's not a bad thing, because in the end, if anybody else is gone, you have yourself and you have to have found some kind of self-sufficiency. Lena Horne certainly does not appear to be lonely in 1984. Is that a true assessment? That's why I love the show. I'm with people who work with me, young people who keep an active, keep my mind thinking. And I'm seeing a lot of people who become one group when I'm with them on stage. You kind of feed off of each other and get the feedback that you need to. Yeah, another question. When you're treating Lena to something special or to an experience that special, that's only for you. What is that? Having a a peanut bar, One of those big jumbo. Oh, and again, a chocolate candy. I know I shouldn't have it, but that's on it. Making funny. I love it though, but I can't. Many disciplines have put it on myself just on purpose. What do you think your fans fail to understand about you? Well, what they fail to understand is I give an enormous amount of energy to an audience for two and a half hours, and when they come to see me, they they just look at me. They don't offer any kind of conversation. So I'm put to entertaining them. And I wish it were the other way around. I'd like them to come in and know that years of tired of sweat and mess and why don't we say something and do it and make her laugh? No one would ever believe that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=3137.67,3274.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, but it's true. It's a it's also logical that they should come down to tell me No. But don't you feel that's because they're in awe of Lena Horne? I don't want them to be. But maybe that is on a national program. Not very long ago, I heard you referred to the last year. Tell us about those. I asked myself and an iceberg. You know, I went through many years of protecting myself from the outside of first time because I'm a woman and a black woman. And we I've been through a generation that needed protection from the hearts of the world or whatever. And when I had gone as low as I could go with personal things, I found that there was nowhere else to be but up and open. And so that's why I'm 50 years old, like I did so open myself. We're glad that you did. Let me ask you one final question. I certainly don't wish this on you and your wife, but what would be your final encore when you decide? No, I'll go. I'm going to quit in October. This particular show anyway. I you know, I've been asked that question. What would you like to be remembered for this? And I don't know how to answer that. I just hope that I don't have to read it when I'm dead. 52 Mommie Dearest Books. You know, about myself. And they just love me, you know? Let's have three. I'll be all right. Please. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, that be. All right. My name is so. And so it got it all to a halt with Saddam. The lipstick kiss. From this moment on, you be have. Doctor designated A, B or C, It looks like such a real person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=3274.44,3441.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, my heavens. And such energy and such life. And I enjoyed. I'll never forget that. No kidding. I look, I wish I had the chance to do it. Oh, yeah? Well, look, let me tell you, that's our show for today. But we want to tell you that next week's show is for men only, in fact. Well, then we'll be here. See, I get a chance to talk about all the things that's on man's mind. Indeed. And our entire audience will be of men. And they will be talking about women and the sexual revolution and any of politics, maybe. I really. I really get upset sometimes when I read all these magazines and all it talks about is women's views on very sensitive issues. I want to know what's on my mind, very sensitive issues. Any lines concerned about that? If you'd like to be in our audience. Of course. Remember men only for men only. Please call 481 13, 13 right now and make your reservations. And next week, two really very special videos. Lionel Richie, a double bump by Lionel Richie running for the running with the Night. And hello, which is really one of my favorite songs. And hopefully Tim will be feeling better next week and he'll be back with us. Okay. We're going to look forward to that. Are we doing last week's show while we were on the air? A very sad thing happened to Baltimore and to the nation. A very great person passed on and we didn't find out about it until we had actually left the air. I'd just like to take a second to quote something that was in the program for the memorial service the other day. It said simply that Clarence Mitchell Jr 101st United States Senator, if the founding fathers of these United States made a mistake in framing the Constitution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091#t=3441.64,3540.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85888/file/174091/transcript/41957/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It may have been in not providing for Clarence and Mitchell Jr, the man who earned the accolade as the nation's 101st United States senator, a really great man, and we're sorry to see him leave. Yes. And our best goes out to the Mitchell family, of course. Today, during our show, you know, we had the telephone poll which we conducted on who would you vote for if the election were held right now? We have the results of that and we'd like to share them with you at this moment. Eight. How about 87 for Hart? 87 for Hart, 1083 for Jesse Jackson, and 117 for Walter Mondale. As are the results of a special 900 telephone call. Now, I understand that these results were based on city lines audience. They were also based on people with which to pay $0.50 for the phone call. And so it may have nothing to do with what it turns out to be in the May 8th primary and and after that. But you can see how city lines of viewers lined up by 10 to 1 for Jackson. Indeed. That's our show today. I'm Liane Hansen. I'm Jackie O. Yeah. 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