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Okay, right. Then I'll go down to three. Two. Okay. Remember when she first started. So we set the camera. Right. My check from both of you testing 1234.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=10.46,23.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Five, six, seven, eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=25.04,26.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Welcome back to City Line. My very special guest today is Joe Black, who is the vice president for special markets, the Greyhound Corporation. Thank you for joining me on City Line today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=33.36,43.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e My pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=44.36,44.62"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What brings you to Baltimore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=45.24,46.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, each year, I try to visit the top 60 markets to try to keep abreast of consumer changes and habits. And at the same time, I do media appearances. And I'm going to do a woman of the year luncheon, whereby we salute three black women in the city of Baltimore for giving me the time and energy to make it a better place in which to live. We tried to find the unheralded lady, not those ladies who are headliners, lawyers, but the women in the grassroots. I remember one year we had one here. There was a lady crippled with polio. But she... raised more money in Easter Seals time than anyone else, but in addition to that, she was also the person who coordinated Little League Baseball in her area. So they're the type of people that we look for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=46.96,86.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e As an executive of the Greyhound Corporation, what are some of the things that you do as a special markets vice president?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=87.06,93.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, special markets, when you see that, it means that you're dealing with the black or Hispanic community. So I have the responsibility to develop in the advertising for the black consumer market that you see in the magazines, on black radio, and in print. But I also have used a part of my advertising budget since 1969 for a commentary called By the Way, in which I try to provoke black people into using the minds that God gave them for thinking. Quite often I get some hate letters because they feel that I'm saying do what I say do, but that's not my purpose. It does not bother me when they say you're Tom, the hanker of here. It really does not bother you? It does not bother me. See, you know like the old child that sings, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. Names don't hurt me because I still believe that truth is the light and truth will set us free.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=94.48,144.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Have people ever said to you, who do you think you are telling us things like this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=145.33,149.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, I've been threatened. People threaten to kill me. People threaten to kill me. People have called the bus company and said we're going to picket the bus company if you don't do this. But you know, and then when they talked to me on the telephone I said, what did I say that's not true? They said, well it's true, but you don't have to say it on the air. You see, we cannot make believe that we're ostracists and bury our head in the sand and make believe that things aren't there. What I say to them is like, high unemployment is here. But we can reduce the number if some of us would take some of the jobs that our fathers and grandfathers for survival. Like today we live in a technological society. If you are not equipped to be competitive, don't just sit home and say, what am I going to do? There's a job as a bellhopper or waiter. Take that job and then put money in your pocket which will enable you to have dignity, pride, provide something for your family, but you can look for the better job or prepare yourself for the better job at the same time. But if all you're going to do is sit home and wait for the bed, it's not going to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=150.05,209.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What basically then is the philosophy for the column, by the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=210.78,214.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's like I said, it provoked black people into thinking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=214.8,217.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You have the feeling that blacks are not thinking?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=218.62,220.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We did nothing. See, black people, see, I started in 1969 because I got tired of reading in the papers and listening to people say, Dr. King's dead, who's gonna lead black people? And I said, you know, black people are not like lost sheep. Wait until somebody says, go left, go right. I said, you know, everyone has their own belief. I said, but I believe God put Dr. King on earth for a purpose. That was to bring black people together in a unified fashion. And because until Dr. King come. The only other time that I've ever seen black people in a unified fight was in 1936s and 37 when Joe Lewis was fighting and we'd all run in the house and sit by the radio and say, we're gonna win tonight. It was black people. It was not Joe Lewis fighting. We won and we lost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=220.94,261.74"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you become so enlightened? How did you become a thinker as opposed to the masses not being thinkers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=261.93,266.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, I didn't say the masters were not thinkers. I said use the minds that God gave them to think. You said black people were. Right, to use their minds that God gave them to think. How did you become so enlightened? Because most of them were sitting around waiting for the meeting to tell them who was going to be their leader. OK, how did you become so enlightened? So I used to sit there. Well, I used to go to meetings with Dr. King and Whitney Young and A. Philip Randolph. And when Jesse Jackson brought Chicago in 66, I was one of the original 12 that Dr. King introduced. And we were there. And I would sit and listen. And I would listen to Abernathy. I'd listen to Andy Young. I'd listen to Jesse. And I said, so black people don't have to wait for a leader. You're a leader. I'm a leader. We all could be leaders if we would think along the lines that Dr. King gave us. And Dr. King told us that we were somebody that we can overcome. And so now, he was gone. So if we would put into practice what he told us, we could overcome. And that's what it was all about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=266.98,322.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me ask you about the book that you've written called, Ain't Nobody Better Than You. How did you arrive at the title? And it is autobiographical. What can we learn about you that we didn't know prior to this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=322.7,335.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's an autobiography of Joe Black, and you will learn who Joe Black is. Most people know of me, but they don't know me. Like I tell my wife, I'm an enigma sometimes to black people because I was always taught by my parents that you're individual, that you're an individual, and I don't think that you have to think as a group. I try to think as a person. And so the title came about because my freshman year high school in New Jersey, they put me in shock. And I came home and told my mother, I said, Mom, I think I'm on a flunk school. She said, why? I said, I don't like filing and working in old greasy cars. She said, why they put you in there? I said, I don't know. So we went to school the next day. And the principal said, well, Mrs. Black, you know, your family's on welfare. You're poor. And Joseph is probably not going to college. So we thought we'd teach him a trade so he can get a job and help you out. Well, see, even though you're poor, you can be proud. And he didn't think that. My mother at five, eight and two and 80 pounds stood up. and grabbed the white man and said, don't you ever tell me how poor my family is. Now, you put Sonny back in those classes, those rich white kids where I worked for, where he's been all the time, where it's gonna be me and you, and she walked out. And that night at home, she said to my brother and sisters and I, that, well, if you ever have a problem, I'm there to help you. But see, you ain't no better than anybody else, ain't nobody better than you, but you have to go out and prove it. And that's where the title came from. And the purpose of the book is not a sports book. It's trying to be an aspirational, motivational thing for young people, especially young blacks, to make them realize that even though they may live in impoverished conditions now, they don't have to stay there. Don't let anybody beat you over the head and say, hey, you poor, you're going to stay poor. The only thing you're constant is they're black and they're going to stay black. I had people try to tell me that I could never play baseball or any professional sports or sports, period, because see, my fingers, I can't lift my index finger unless I go like that. Every finger on both hands had been broken because I wanted to play football. I wanted to play basketball, and so I had to learn to catch balls. So it's a motivation to do. Right. And so people used to laugh at me, hey man, look at you, point with that funny finger. And at first it hurt you, but then I realized, why should I let them stop me? And so I made it. And then after a while, people look at you, funny fingers and all. And they'd be saying, well, how do you do that? So it doesn't bother me. But I do want young people to realize that you can do things. If you try to help yourself, usually you'll find somebody who will help you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=336.28,486.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So most of your columns and articles that you do on radio are designed to motivate, just as you've said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=486.44,493.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, to provoke them. See, I try to find things to say that will anger them. Devil's advocate. If I say, right, if I say things that you like, you see, they'll say, hey, the brother's on the case. Stay right on. But then we don't do anything. But if I say something and they say, hey, let me see what this fool's gonna say today, you're gonna stop and listen. When Karl Rowan comes on and he starts talking, you find yourself saying, hey, he's right, man. You know, that's what we ought to do. But you don't take any action.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=493.61,519.409"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me ask you a question outside of maybe your personal life and the influences on you and so forth. But you were a professional athlete, did well, I remember a part of your career as a child. How is it that you were able to survive beyond the sports world to become a success in corporate America, whereas so many of our athletes who are excellent on the field Do not make it beyond the playing days","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=519.61,547.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it's two things. First, timing. Secondly, educational preparation. I was fortunate to go to a black institution, Morgan State College, where they were concerned about you as a whole individual and not Joe Black, the football player. And when I went into classrooms, they didn't give me any privileges because I may have made all CIAA in football. They all said, hey, in here you're gonna study. I remember my freshman year. Mrs. Williams, my English teacher, said, hey, you look big on that football field. You don't learn to conjugate these verbs, you're gonna be another flunked person. You think that's the key? And so it made me realize that I had to study. Then the timing came about because in the 60s, when companies were looking for blacks, I was there. I had a name because I had played with Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella and people like that, but I had the educational preparation. I had a college degree. So that let me get into the door when they needed us. And so through attrition, I just kept moving up. Today's athlete, many of them only go to college to major in sports. Not all of them, many of them. And so all they have on their mind is ball, ball. And when they get out, that's all they can do. Unprepared for anything else. Now there are some who have gone to school and they come out, but they're fighting the old bugaboo racism. So what I tried to tell those guys, look, the money they pay you guys now. Trust one another. Two or three of you get together, incorporate yourself. We've got to start owning things. Try to own your own business. Go to school in the off season, learn about business. Learn profits and losses. See where you and your friends can go into business and you can create some more jobs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=548.18,644.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Joe Black, it's been a pleasure to have you on City Line today. I think we could devote the entire hour to talking to just you. You are indeed a role model and an inspiration to a great many people out there. Thank you for being with us. Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=644.91,656.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's my pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=656.54,656.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We're going to take a break now and come back with an edition of City Lines. Whatever that may or no. Yeah, well. No, you can just start with a friend. Hey, man, I have a question. Can you see this? OK, was that it? OK. She saw that. I saw your hands myself. It depends on whether or not I choose to see it. Well, you thought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=657.31,687.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you thought she didn't see? I know you could see. I saw it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=687.37,690.43"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. Black, besides your mother, whom you told us about, what were some of the influences that have directed the way that you've lived your life or felt about what you are doing? Thank you for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=694.23,707.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm a, like, I'm not one of those persons who do a lot of entertaining and partying because I remember when I was eight years of age, the black people, see we, all poor people in Plainfield lived by the railroad track, black and white. And so the black people in that area decided they wanted to have a P. Knuckle Club. Some of them drove delivery trucks, a couple worked in the cleaners, pressing, but my dad, he worked, WPA, we were welfare people. But they asked, and they told my mother and father, yes, you can join our club. And they told them that the next month the meeting would be at our house. So we went down to the funeral parlor and barred all these chairs and barred car tables from neighbors. We didn't eat any bread that day because my mother took the loaf of bread and sliced the bread and made the little sandwiches and things. And we scrubbed the floors and six cocks and all the kids sent us upstairs. And at about 8.30. We heard my mother crying, and so we eased to the top of the steps. And I heard my mother says, Joe, none of them even came. And that hurt me to hear my mother cry. So I made up my mind that day, when I became a grown up, I was never going to worry about society. I did not want to be a part of society. I said, I don't want to be a part where you hurt somebody because you think you're better than they are. Is this the way you're living your life even now? That's the way I've always lived my life, and as a result, I've had several wives. I've lost wives because of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=709.349,798.78"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How many of you are?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=798.99,799.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I don't feel abashed or ashamed that I believe just like to go to church for spiritual love, that there should be peace and tranquility in the church, it should be in your home. The trials and tribulation of life are enough. So when I walk into the house, I don't think there'll be stress and tension. So if I have a wife and society, the parties and things were part of her, I don't want to hold her back. I give her her freedom to go have all the parties she wants, but I don't want to pay it. Now, you can entertain sometimes, but I don't think It has to be every month. I don't think I have to buy a new car every year. I don't have to have the biggest house on the hill. I don't think you have to prove to anybody that you're not on welfare anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=801.36,838.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me ask you, as you travel the country, what do you see about the condition of blacks and what we need to do to change our own plight?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=838.7,847.34"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, two things. One, the economy of black America is being depressed because of the administration's rules and regulations. Secondly, black people have the ability to reduce some of the depression and poverty in our community. We have a gross annual spendable income in excess of $140 billion a year, which makes black Americans the ninth richest nation of the free world. But our money does not give us the power and the clout because we are not united. Black people must be. The more united like we were when Dr. King, we must believe in each other, trust each other. We must support black businesses. We must help black youths go to college. Instead of sororities and fraternities having these meetings and then say, hey, Dr. So-and-so's child graduates this year. You know, never mind the social structure. There are young people who live in the projects who go to school every day. They too want to be somebody. They see TV. They see the house with the plots of green grass. They see mothers and fathers sitting down at the table. We've got to help those young people. We've got to take some of our money and give some of those young people scholarships. That's why I like Greyhound, because our scholarship program is geared to those young people and the money is placed on black college campuses. The campuses choose the students, but we tell them we don't want the A students, and they must come from families with the lower income levels, and we've been doing it for 15 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=848.13,932.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Four Blacks is the difference between talking and doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=932.56,934.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We talk a lot about unity and togetherness, but our money is, hey, I got mine, let them struggle and get good. If we can get out of that, you know, you hate to take an ethnic group, but it's like the Jewish society. They will take their money and help each other overcome plight. And that's what we have to do. Don't worry about who's present, who's got more than somebody else. You know, sometimes it is more blessed to give than to receive, and we've got to understand these things and share a little. rang the bell, and instead of, who is it? My clothes came sailing out the window. And she told me, we're not gonna get your name in the paper anymore. So I'm leaving. So she didn't leave, just put me out. So at age 31, I went back to Jersey with my mother, right, and said, mom, can I sleep in the attic? That's where I slept when I was a little boy. And the woman knew what she was doing because she didn't have to work. I was playing baseball. She had emptied the bank account. Well, she left $75, so I guess she left $75. But I told her, I said, you know, I'm down. I said, but God doesn't like ugly. And I said, one day, it's going to come back. And I said, when our little boy is old enough to go to college, you're not going to have one penny, not one penny for him. And I said, but he's going to go to school, because that's why I'm going to work. And that's the way it turned out. in his freshman year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=935.67,1017.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. Black you've been doing the by the way column for quite a while. What is the philosophy of that column?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1021.07,1025.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Say that I love you, miss you, wish you were my wife number nine, and all that stuff. Okay, next one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1026.52,1033.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What's the next one? Okay, um, how did you become a thinker from the masses? Help me phrase that one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1033.96,1042.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you did ask about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1044.68,1046.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm at the bow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1046.48,1046.92"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e about the same. Yeah. You asked me. I remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1047.43,1054.77"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What separates you as a thinker from the masses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1057.45,1059.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I noticed that everyone was saying the same thing. Everyone was saying racism, racism. And I felt it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470#t=1061.08,1067.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144698/file/267470/transcript/77534/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, we're showing that. You've written a book entitled Ain't Nobody Better Than You. 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