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And I'm Harold Anthony. According to a recent Baltimore Sun poll, one in five Marylanders own handguns. But does the state have the right to ban the sale and manufacture of handguns? And does this violate the citizen's right to bear arms? This controversy is the hottest topic in the upcoming November elections, especially in Maryland. The question question number three will ask Maryland voters to decide whether or not they want a state board to choose which handguns can be sold. Is this bill a deterrent to criminals or a violation of constitutional rights? Delegate Ralph Hughes, author of the Handgun Bill and chairman of the Citizens for Eliminating Saturday Night Specials, is here to debate this issue with Kevin Briscoe of the Maryland Committee Against the Gun Ban. That's next on City Line. Yeah. Welcome to City Line. As we said, the topic today is Maryland's handgun bill. Let's start with delegate Ralph Hughes, who is a delegate from the 40th district. You are the sponsor of the bill. Explain briefly what the bill is all about. What bill? 1131 one. Well, now it's it's a law. It's no longer a bill. And then it's the new handgun law, what we call the 39th special law in the state of Maryland. I would like to start off by saying that what it does not do. It does not deal with the constitutional right to bear arms. People can argue that right back and forth. But this particular law does not even address that. We are not saying and many persons who voted for the law did not say that this would have any infringement. Well, they felt that there is a constitutional right to bear arms. Some felt that there is a constitutional right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=52.24,171.26"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Others felt that there is not a constitutional right. So basically set up the bill statewide and is designed to accomplish what it basically set up. The bill is designed to take the cheap. Not cheaply made. I want to correct that cheaply made crime guns off the street. And these guns have come to be known, commonly known as Saturday night specials. We've have over the past ten years been in the legislature arguing how to get these Saturday night specials off the streets. And for several years, we have tried to come up with a definition. The National Rifle Association and its lobbyists have have convinced many legislators that you cannot have a general definition to deal with a Saturday night special. So what we so this approach, which I took along with other legislators, was to not have a general definition. Okay. We can see that you can have general definition, but to create a panel that would look at each gun in the state of Maryland one by one with certain criteria, certain guidelines, and to decide whether this gun falls in the classification as the commonly known 39 special or belli gun. And okay, let us we're going to get into that a little bit further into our discussion. Kevin Briscoe is also here to debate the issue. And you're with the Maryland Committee against the Gun Ban. That's right. What is your position in reference to the bill? The law along House Bill 1131, we feel is a bad law because, one, it does not stop crime. And delegate Hughes mentions belli guns and so forth. Again, it does not stop crime. Criminals do not go to your average gun shop and purchase a handgun. They have underground means to purchase these handguns as well as the other contraband that they purchase.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=171.41,262.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Saturday night specials is a very nebulous term and there is no legal definition for it. And the nine member handgun across the board is, which is politically appointed, has absolute control essentially over our right to choose. Okay. The burden of proof is put upon the average citizen. And I believe and we believe that it should be the other way around. The board has 45 days to respond to an individual petition. If they choose not to, then the petition is automatically denied. There's an obvious flaw with that, too. To elaborate on a point that Mr. Briscoe raised Saturday. Saturday Night special is a very nebulous term because what would guarantee sports enthusiasts that this bill would not swell to include sporting firearms? Okay. The the bill specifically states that does not include rifles. Most men use rifles, but it also states that it will not include any gun that the panel decides is good based on criteria set out in the speak of boards. We already have a board within the and within the firearms department. It's a board that the five member board that looks at permits and boards are the way we are structured in our country. It's either you either got to have a board that's appointed or are you going to have a board is elected. And that's just a fact of life. I mean, the Supreme Court has a board. There are men who hunt with 44 magnums and 350, and these things will continue to be permitted to be sold. This will not impact on owning a 44 magnum, a 44 magnum. I don't see any way in the world it would fall in. The criteria was build. It does not impact on any well gun. What we are after are the other cheaply made guns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=264.89,359.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The guns commonly known as Saturday night specials that the NRA has always said you cannot define. So if you can't define it, you have to do it by one by one basis. And magnums and and the guns that you speak of, some of those things, they will be put on the list for sale. It's the other little gun, the law, the the other little guns that will not be placed on the net. It reads the law as it reads says that the sale and manufacture of all handguns in the state of Maryland will be illegal. The enforcement date is January 1st, 1990. This will affect guns made after January 1st, 1985. The state is, after all, handguns. All handguns. But what about the criteria? The non-core criteria is very subjective. The federal government has a method of determining which guns will be imported into the United States, and it's based on a certain scoring system. If a handgun scores less than 75 points, it cannot be imported legally. Okay. Is very defining to do with this bill. But I'm however, what I'm trying to point out is that just mentioned the criteria that we're trying to. That the state of Maryland will use is not that objective. It is very subjective. Concealed ability to to a degree, any handgun is concealable. Let's get a delegate who has a chance to define more clearly. First of all, he basically said that the board can ban all handguns. That's what he's basically said. It is impossible under this law, no matter how you scrutinize it for the board, the ban on handguns. What the board basically says, it said, you shell, it tells the state you shall come up with a list. It didn't say may. And when you know legal language, you know shell is order from the state and if you do not do it, you're violating the law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=359.93,455.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it says that it must come up with that list. You must published a list of permissible handguns by July of 1989. Okay. Now, this is after the board has determined which ones. Right. Legally allowed into the state. And those that cannot Right can legally unless we're not really dealing. If you want to think of manufacturers which they are, and persons who sell guns, basically guns to us as citizens. Okay, you can use the term citizens, but let's not fool ourselves and think I think that the law is going to have that much impact on us. The only way the law would have an impact on you or me is if we would decide to sell a gun and we are really in the business of selling guns. But but isn't that the the the gist of the entire bill to get the the handguns out of the hands of criminals? Okay. The just and off the streets, right. To stop crime. The method or the method that the bill is using is to stop the manufacture and to stop the sale. Now, if you stop the manufacture, sooner or later that gun is not available. But delegate Hughes through legitimate means, of course, won't we be deluding ourselves into believing that the criminals still won't get his hands on some guns, whether they're sawed off shotguns or or Saturday night specials or anything else, if indeed he or she wants to commit a crime. We're not saying that this bill is going to be the cure all, that they won't be able to get some guns. We're not it wasn't it was not even started out to do that. What we're saying is that we look at the law and what we have in the state is we are permitting the manufacture and the sale of weapons whose only purpose is to commit a crime that should pass the state for use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=455.59,541.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Should the state be allowing the manufacture and sale of something whose only purpose, only purpose is to commit a crime. And what we're saying is no, and this is the first time we have done it. You can not go into any knife store and purchase a switchblade, because what the law has basically said is that a switchblade is a weapon and it's manufactured for the purpose of committing a crime. They cannot be knives, no weapon. What would happen to these small concealable weapons that that are existing in the community now? What they would you make some effort to try to confiscate? No, there is no effort to try to confiscate them, basically, of any individual who knows weaponry, knows that these guns are made of such low caliber, their lifespan is like 5 to 7 years. So you're talking about 5 to 7 years. The other day there was a policeman with one teenager shot another teenager and one of them is dead. The policeman picked up the gun. He said, This is truly a Saturday night special. We taught Mateen the gun, felt the pieces in his hand, then let the life span of these weapons are not that long. If you stop the manufacture of them, that's the basic thing and stop the sale of them. Sooner or later they're not going to do this. It's not overnight. Q But does this mean that anyone who owns a gun prior to 1990, even it can be categorized as a Saturday night special, can hold on to that guy and keep that gun. If you, as a citizen see it, the burden is on you. If you as a citizen were to go in the store right now and he were to illegally sell you a Saturday night special, you have done nothing wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=541.51,620.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you have a Saturday night special in your home, you have done nothing wrong. This deals with the individual or the business basically who's manufacturing it and those who sell them. It does not deal with me as a purchaser. If I were to go in a store and purchase a Saturday night special, I have not broken my law because it's not my fault. What about the citizen's right to bear arms, which is guaranteed under the Constitution? Is there any violation of your according to you? Yes, there is. We do have a right to choose. It is guaranteed in the Second Amendment of the Constitution. However, the Maryland courts have not ruled that that extends into the issue of whether or not a citizen can own a handgun. Now, we have to excuse me, but to bear arms, those are those are two different concepts that you're dealing. You asked about the right to bear arms. Okay, We're not. And I think I just explained what the Maryland courts ruled. As far as that's concerned. Has this law been tested in any other state? No. This is the first of the nation. And that's one reason why the NRA's trying to spend 3 to $5 million overturn it, because we're not the NRA. We are not the NRA. We are the Maryland committee. Are you saying you're not receiving any funds from the NRA? We are funded by a multitude of different sources. Yes, there are a lot of them. Yes, they are. But we have all your major contributors. We have always gone on record as saying that we get more funds from the 50,000 members of NRE that live and work in Maryland and will be affected by this law more so than we do from the National Rifle Association as a collective national body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=620.68,699.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you're not here representing the major opinion of the NRA and their position. I am. I am representing the fact that this is a bad law, that crime will not be stopped. They will only put law abiding citizens at risk because it limits their right to choose. It limits the types of guns that they feel that they need to have for their protection to have. Gun rights. The board, for example, can come up with this list of permitted guns. Someone on a fixed income may or may not be able to afford those guns, thus they're at risk. Okay. We're going to take a break and come back and continue our debate on Maryland's handgun gun law. So stay with us. I'm. Welcome back to City Land Delicate Shoes. The question has been raised that if cheap handguns are banned in the state of Maryland, that would be almost discriminatory against some of the black folks who live in crime ridden neighborhoods who can't afford the expensive, larger hand. That is that is an argument that the National Rifle Association also used in California. And I feel as though it's an insult to the black community. I want to state that it's insulted black men. First of all, these guns are not good for self-protection. They're known as belli guns. Okay. That's another name for. And the reason is because this gun to the way the criminal uses it on the street, he walks up the side and then he turns it and put it right into your belly. He knows if he's if he's about 4 to 6 feet from you, he's not going to get what he's aiming at. It's known as a belly gun. Are you going to try to protect yourself? If you have to depend on a weapon that you have to get in someone's belly to really to really stop them from doing whatever they're trying to do? Is that what you really want? To protect yourself? What's going to happen is you're going to be the injured party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=699.85,873.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In addition, it is not an accurate gun. It's an unsafe gun. There have been there have been there have been times even when the gun, as I said, has fallen to pieces. Is this what you want to protect yourself with now? And it's an insult to tell the black community that that they should protect themselves with these guns, implying that they shouldn't be concerned about the high school student or the junkie on the corner. Well, the basic gun, the gun that was widely used by detectives called a snub nosed 38 that had a wide reputation of being an inaccurate gun. Would you classify that as a Saturday? Okay. Now, as as a panel, I would not classified as snub nosed 38 as a as a as you said, as a Saturday night special. So you have to remember that no one characteristic would would make a gun a Saturday night special. That's one thing that stood out in the bill. You cannot give undue consideration to any one characteristic that is laid out in the bill. It has to be looked at. Several characteristics. Did we did we establish the characteristics and establish those? Now we said conceal ability. Right. Okay. Right. I have a copy of the bill here and the characteristics that are those nine characteristics, if we can do them quickly. Okay. Conceal ability. Easily concealable ballistically inaccurate, lightweight quality of materials, poor quality of materials, poor quality of manufacture, reliability as the safety and caliber detectability by standard. Then there's the other criteria that deals with guns that are they become invisible guns, undetectable designer guns that right that are used to get by a courtroom and airport security. So you have to consider, is this gun detectable by standard security equipment commonly used at airports or courtrooms and approved by the Federal Aviation Administration? And can you believe these criteria are really subjective? Very subjective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=874.5,974.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again, a concealed ability to some degree, all guns are concealable quality. The patent is a relative term and is usually associated when you compare it to something else weight. You can find a heavy gun that is no good as well as vice versa. Well, you have to know about laws and you have to read the preamble. The preamble of the law doesn't say any type of concealed ability, says easily concealable ballistically inaccurate. It says relatively light in weight, the relative terms as well, but low quality of manufacture and leaves a lot of room for interpretation, which is another only because there are so many other issues regarding this bill that we need to get to. Should we be focusing more on getting tougher with criminals as opposed to trying to ban Saturday night specials? That is exactly what the Department of Justice has been saying. They have read the right Rossie study, which concluded that the small caliber handgun is not the weapon of choice among criminals. The director of the Department of Justice, and after reading this study, said the emphasis should be on stricter punishments for the people that use a handgun in the commission of a crime. If you if you use a gun, go to jail. I think that is the issue here. The issue is crime on one hand and private citizens. Right. Of choice. I'd like to speak on that on that for just a minute. First of all, we can look at the Johns Hopkins study and the Johns Hopkins study that was recently released. And they made it perfectly clear that this has to be a shared responsibility thing. Yes, we may have to tighten up some of the laws dealing with the criminal, but we also cannot have in our communities a proliferation of Saturday night specials and guns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=975.36,1075.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I, I believe it was all an overwhelmingly large percentage of black youth are killed. And John Hopkins study says really the leading cause of death among age group of black males. And John Hopkins says it's because these weapons are so easily available and easily obtained throughout our community. So get get don't just get them off the street. Let's look at one issue here. There's there's not been a cause and effect relationship established between crime rates, homicide rates in a particular jurisdiction and whatever kind of gun regulations they have in place. Oh, yes, they have. In fact, the Johns Hopkins study points to just that. Yes, it points to at least the proliferation of guns within the. It certainly did. Which are the Saturday night specials? We can look 35 miles to the south, to Washington, D.C., which has had a total gun ban since 1977. What about And yet they have the second highest homicide rate in the country. That's a shot of the city to tell you to expand on that. I mean, aren't we deluding ourselves to think that if we made this illegal, that the criminals would all of a sudden stop buying guns from a gun shop? Okay, we're not seeing it. You have to realize who this law is going to impact on, and this law is going to impact. When we look at the House, because you're dealing with your marginal criminal there, someone who's going to say, I may or may not go into crime. Is this going to so easily available? I'll get it. It's an entry level weapon into ground for him. You're dealing with the with the jumping on the corner. And let's not pretend that he has a whole lot of money. Okay. He gets rid of his money for dope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=1076.16,1161.71"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He rob somebody, and then he sells the gun. This is the easy turnover weapon for him. These guns are also ballistics very often has problems with them because some Saturday night's specials are so and so and expenses are made so cheap that at times you can not trace the bullet to the gun. And this causes problems for the police department. This is a weapon that is designed for crime, just like the switchblade. It is designed for crime. And you cannot allow these things to be manufactured. So but this law is I'll just finished up by saying this law is a very complicated law. And lawyers have time have a time understanding. But you have to look at some time. You have to look at what other people are saying. On one side, you've got the National Rifle Association bringing other people from California, Virginia and Roy, and it's from New York to tell Marylanders that we should add the wrong with the NRA. Running scared, Kevin. The NRA has nothing to do with this is one of their first major losses is that he's not the nra has nothing to do with this from an operational standpoint. They have nothing to do with it. What about their major 3 to $5 million ad campaign? And again, I've yet to see these numbers confirmed. I've gone on record already as saying that these numbers are unconfirmed. Well, the only point that I'm basically trying to make is are you going to listen to what the NRA is saying? Are you going to start with the NRA is not the issue here. It is. To and then when you took your money out bank two days before the SNL crisis was cast with Congressman Mitchell, Congressman turned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=1162.01,1244.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't see relevance here. Right. I'm Bishop Robinson. And that's a red herring. Right? Thank you for making this to make person. That is the National Rifle Association, because the National Rifle Association has one of the strongest lobbyists in lobbies in this country. We are the Maryland Committee against the Guns have been lobbying in Maryland very strong. I just want to say that's the type of tactics that he just used, that the NRA is typical. It's typical to make a personal attack on me from the NRA. I never said he said that their campaign manager, George Young, stated that they will spend tons of money if necessary, unlimited tons of money to see this bill defeated. And I just want to make one point. Congressman Permut, you and his staff have studied this law on Bishop Brian, who is now going to Africa to study this law, the Catholic Archdiocese, the governor, Mayor Schmoke, a hundred, 100% of the Legislative Black Caucus, 100% of the black elected officials in the city council have all put their staffs on this law and have studied this law and have said it's a good law that's impressive. But to sway public opinion, it is moral. It is a moral law. Because if Maryland is the first state in the country to pass such a law, right. Except this mean in terms of future activities and other legislatures, of course, what the NRA feels when they have a meeting with some with some representatives from Florida who want to see this law and who want to examine it, Florida, which has a serious gun problems. I've had calls from Pennsylvania Avenue, calls in California. That's what they are afraid of, you know, and then Congress what will Congress do? What Congress say? Well, if Maryland beat the National Rifle Association, Maryland went out and beat them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=1245.65,1341.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We don't have to run scared anymore. We can beat them. And that's what this is all about. Well, Kevin, do you have you seen any of the reports that have been done recently? For instance, Johns Hopkins just did a report and they said that, you know, that guns are the leading cause of death in non white males between the ages of 15 and 34. I mean, some of the numbers are appalling. And common sense would tell you that if the guns were made unavailable, that the death rate would go down. Do you disagree with some of the findings of these studies? Well, again, based on the studies that we've research done, specifically the the Goldman report from the University of Wisconsin said that there is no cause and effect relationship between violence and and handgun regulations. Now, again, how about crimes of passion? If a handgun was not available to which you had a prominent figure in the news who was a who was an opponent of handguns and he shot somebody who was on his property. And I feel that if the gun was not available, that he would not have gone out and stab the guy. Self-defense is a primary law of nature. That was not self-defense. That was protection of his property. I think in some sense, they they're intermixed. Self-defense is a primary law of nature, cannot and should not be taken away by law, society and. And I think that a prime example is the Calderon incident. Here is a man who is protecting his property and extremely protecting himself, and yet he's in a lot of trouble behind it. And I think that's there is a problem with the D.C. law as well as the one that we're considering here in Maryland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=1341.86,1433.94"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just want to say something that there's been a lot of confusion on what you are voting on and how to vote. Okay. Let's explain that in the few remaining moments that we have. Okay. First of all, I'd like to say that you're voting on the law. You know, do you want this law to stay on the books or do you not want this law to stay on the books and you're voting on the law and you would vote for the law if you want the law for or against. Right? For or against the law. If you want the law to stay on the books to eliminate Saturday night specials, you would vote for the law. That's been a lot of confusion. And I just want to say what the law does not do. It does not deal in any way with the registration of any type of gun. Nobody is going to take anyone's gun away and nobody's going to bother anyone as far as purchasing a gun. It does not deal with it. It does not in any way ban all guns and it does not affect anyone who is not manufacturing or selling a gun. It does not affect anyone who is not manufacturing or selling a gun. Kevin to to expand on the point the delegate Hughes made earlier is that certain weapons such as sawed off shotguns and automatic weapons, they've already been banned for sale. You know, why not include these lists of guns? You know, because the small caliber handgun is the is predominantly the handgun that individuals use for self-protection in their home. Okay. We have 15 minutes and 15 seconds each for the two of you. Your final words. Delegate Kelly Hughes, 15 seconds. Recently, in the past few weeks in Baltimore, it was a certain Saturday night specials that were definitely said night specials were confiscated from a a doctor allegedly selling allegedly whatever he was doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077#t=1434.42,1522.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/85872/file/174077/transcript/47225/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were one belt buckle gun, three ring guns, three stingers. Your wrap up statement. And we want everyone to vote for question three. You're voting for the law. Kevin Briscoe The Maryland Committee against the gun Ban would like everyone to vote against question three. We have to realize here that this is not a gun referendum. It is a referendum on your right to choose. And you must realize that basic and basic rights are lost in increments. And once they realize that this does not go far enough, they'll stick something else. Thank you, Kevin Briscoe and delegate Ralph Hughes for being here for the debate on the handgun law. Thank you. We'll be back in just a moment. Well, that's our show for today. We will not be on the air next week. We will be preempted, but we will return on November 6th and continue our discussion on guns in the community. At that time, we'll be talking to the author of a report at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health who talks about guns being the leading cause of death among black males between the ages of 15 and 34. And it is indeed a public health crisis. And joining me on that same show is one of the most refreshing new voices in the international jazz scene. Miss Dianne Reeves will join us to tell us all about her budding career. Be sure to join us for that. I'm Harold Anthony. I'm Jackie Hall. Enjoy your Sunday. 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