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Navy Secretary John Layman says there should have been no deal. The United States government. that these spies should be executed. How do you feel about that? Arnold Weiner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=40.02,50.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e A double life sentence seems appropriate. For the defendant, I don't think it was a deal or a bargain. Tony King.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=50.62,55.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it was all plea and no bargain, I think it was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=56.16,58.06"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e There should be no plea bargaining with spies whatsoever. And John Lofton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=58.98,62.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I salute the Secretary of the Navy, I think he's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=62.96,65.239"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll talk about the Walker spies and other subjects in the news tonight as we square off. Good evening everyone, it is Saturday night at 7 .30 and guess what, ladies and gentlemen, this is our last week on this set. Oh! That is right, we have a brand new set that we will be unveiling, this is a big budget item. Can we get a raise? Ron Mackie, the entire art department, they have, Ron has designed a beautiful set that we will be premiering next Saturday night at 7 .30. If you have plans to go out. Oh, no. We suggest you change those plans. Yes, by a crew, because you are going to see something that you are not going to believe. We spent six years on this set, six out of nine. Six dollars. Six dollars. Six dollars. Six dollars. That is something to which you can look forward. Now let's get serious and talk about the Walker spies. The government deal, Michael Walker the son gets 25 years, John Walker the father gets life, a plea bargain with spies. Navy secretary John Lehman says absolutely not. They should be executed, peace time or war time. You agree John.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=65.66,138.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Secretary of the Navy, Lehmann, said that this was very serious damage that was done to our national security, that it involved day -to -day operational intelligence, which if we were in wartime, he said, it would be the equivalent to the so -called ultra -secret of World War II. It seems very serious, and as such, it does not seem extreme to demand the death penalty for spies like this in peacetime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=139.33,160.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e If the law allowed it, that would be one thing. As the law now stands, the man's going to get the maximum sentence. It seems to me Secretary Lehmann is grandstanding, because the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General, both of whom have a great sensitivity to our national interest, approve this deal, because what it will let us do is, one, give the defendant the maximum penalty. Number two, let us now find out extent of the damage which this country suffered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=161.95,191.25"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Why strike a deal with spies if the government had a strong case?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=191.55,197.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Why was there a need to strike a deal? Well, to the extent that there was any imperative, the need was to find out at the earliest possible moment the extent of damage to our national security so we can take the appropriate steps to plug up all the holes. Now it seems to me that what we've done is to put the maximum pressure on this fellow Walker. He's going to have to be interviewed over the course of a year. He's going to have to submit himself to polygraphs throughout the year. He's going to have to tell all. And it was in the interest of this country to find out all as quickly as possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=198.03,232.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you always get into a question of how much information would be brought out at a trial and I think that's always a consideration that you have to measure here and I think it was a very good deal. The guy got life. The guy got life. What more could you get if you get three lives, I mean three life sentences. What does that mean? And basically, I think that it was a very, very good bargain that was struck for the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=232.06,252.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, but Secretary Layman says that, and I think, I mean, I agree with what you say about the Justice Department and Ed Meese and Secretary Weinberger caring about our national security, but I think it's also reasonable to argue that John Layman knows the most about the Navy, which is his department, and he says that he knows, the Navy Department knows pretty much what this guy did, what he compromised, and I am intrigued by the idea that this spy, this liar, this traitor... uh... is going to tell us the truth about what you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=251.96,281.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, wait a minute. I think Lima was very, very much hot -dogging in this one. I agree with you there, because basically, his superiors approve this sort of deal. And if he's a team player and he's with the government. How so? Is he running for office? What state does he come from? I mean, I find this to be incredibly inappropriate, particularly on this very, very sensitive kind of issue. Because basically, if he's talking about morale, I think he's undermining a lot of morale here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=280.9,302.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e with the kind of state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=303.77,304.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e with the kinds of statements that he's making.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=303.65,305.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's unfortunate that you want to go behind his remarks and impugn his motives. I know John Layman. He's a very honorable man, and I think he knows a lot more than all of us put together about this case. He knows the damage that's been done to his branch of the service, and I think it was in a very judicious manner that he called for the execution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=305.47,323.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But his views were given full hearing, his views were tested, and everybody else in the Pentagon, including the Secretary of Defense. Well, that's not, that's not argument. thought and and i think rightfully so that it was in the national interest to determine just what what we lost at the earliest possible moment","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=323.91,343.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I have trouble with plea bargaining because of the perception that the general public will have in terms of plea bargaining across the board. When we hear about plea bargaining, we seem to think that the defense may have a weak argument, and so in order to get some type of conviction, they go for plea bargaining. Well, this, I have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=343.44,367.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I have trouble... But I think that's a very, you know, I think that's a very, very sad perception, although it's a very widespread perception. Yeah. But I think that... You know, basically we have this image of Perry Mason in court, as Arnold can testify to, that essentially we have a negotiated system of pleas in this country, that basically plea bargaining is the way that we do justice in this country. It's a negotiated situation, and I think we have to recognize that, although Perry Mason makes for better treatment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=367.15,392.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, here the government gave up nothing. The government takes the principal guy, he gets the maximum sentence. The maximum sentence is life imprisonment. The guy gets two life imprisonments plus 10 years. Now theoretically he could be paroled, but he's never gonna be paroled. And the only reason why no one would even consider the death penalty is that you can't give it in peacetime. So he gets the maximum sentence. His son, who is 22 years old, who is invigiled into this thing by his father, gets 25 years. It seems to me that's a very substantial sentence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=392.24,424.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e And being eligible for parole is not the same thing as getting parole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=424.47,427.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e But, you know, you deplored the fact that there's this widespread perception against plea bargaining. And I think it's there and I think it ought to be there because this case is another example of the fact, and it's an unfortunate fact, that there really is no such thing as the law. Everything's negotiable. and as Secretary Layman said, espionage. A man being a traitor to his country is treated like a white -collar crime where you can, you know, teach the world it's round or flat either way depending upon different circumstances. This is what people don't like. He got a wife sentence. There's no fixed law. He got a wife sent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=428.44,459.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=460.21,460.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e We've got a lot of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=460.35,460.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We've got a life sentence. He didn't get one at a time. Hold it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=460.6,463.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The problem is that under the law, whether the man pleads guilty or goes to trial, you can't get more than the maximum. And the man has bargained to get himself the maximum. The problem with the perception is that people will fuel misperception. And in this case, to call this a deal, to call this a bargain, to call this something struck, when the man has just thrown himself and stepped up to take the maximum sentence, Thanks for watching! is a misperception.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=461.6,491.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But Arnold, I think we have to be cognizant of the fact that of the perception that people have in terms of the legal system. And I think when it comes to plea bargaining across the board, I think that this idea plea bargaining compromises the idea of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=491.43,511.81"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but what's the alternative in this case? In this case, the alternative would be have a public trial, give him the same maximum sentence, give no incentive to open his mouth, and perhaps never really find out what it was that this country, the damage that this country suffered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=512.659,527.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not sure if I know what you're saying here, because I'm not sure if I know what the law is. You're saying there was no way under either the code of military justice or the code of military justice, or the code of justice that is not military, to give this man capital punishment? Is that what you're saying? I don't believe it. 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You're not saying that what he proposed was illegal, are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=546.31,552.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what can be stiffer than two life sentences, John. You know, it's like the 70 -year -old man who was... You know, it's like the 70 -year -old man who is... The 70 -year -old man was given 40 years in jail. He says, your honor, I'll never live that long. And the judge says, we'll do your best. I mean, what can you do? Well, that's no, well pause. Yeah, and it's No, that's no 12 o 'clock. That's a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=552.89,568.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to say, I was going to say, Arnold, and you know how many people who get life sentences really spend life in jail, right? Oh, he's not going to lie. He's not going to lie. We'll be back in a moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=569.16,576.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll be back in a moment to talk about the SNLs in Maryland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=574.81,579.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e I just want you to know that you're a good person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=653.3,654.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Talking about the savings and loan crisis, yesterday Chase Manhattan Bank opened in Maryland and three SNLs were bailed out of the crisis. There have been some allegations this week that perhaps Governor Hughes knew about some memos or received some memos warning him about some problems in the SNL industry that may have been or may not have been ignored. We don't know. There is some talk about an awful lot of things. one of the state delegates is asked to look into the possibility of of uh... the rules and regulations concerning impeachment of a governor that's just uh... that's just something that's happening uh... angry old court and depositors met during this week they want their money they're going to march on uh... on the state capitol on november sixteenth they want governor hughes to do something to get them their money and there are an awful lot of people that are hurting tonight have been since may what do you think about the developments this week Tony","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=697.26,746.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I think it's premature again to assess blame so quickly. However, people have been walking around saying, how could this happen? How could this happen? How come there were no kind of warnings of these kinds of insider loans and that sort of thing? And I think it raises some very serious questions. And I think it, no matter what happens ultimately, I think the governor is damaged in a manner that's not going to go away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=747.26,767.28"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we have this wonderful political follies we play every couple years about what did he know and when did he know it, which seems to be what we're playing with the governor now. It seems pretty clear that he did get two warnings in March and in October of 1984, but I think it ought to be equally clear that he seems to have reacted reasonably to both of those warnings. He looked at them, he passed them along, he called upon the head regulators to provide some answers, And to the extent that he didn't get the answers, it seems to me... At that point, the fault lies with the regulators. Another question, however, is whether the governor was completely candid when he told the press repeatedly much later that the first signal he had at all was in May when the savings and loans failed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=767.84,811.7"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, but we find that whenever it comes to the common man, the little depositor with $1 ,000 or more, that we don't care much about them as far as the politicians are concerned. And the big wheelers and dealers, even the savings and loan situations, are going to end up losing very little money. What happens to the common man in this instance? Why wasn't the Governor so much concerned about him when he got the first signal to do something about it? Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=812.9,843.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, that kind of bothers me because we had the consultant, Lehman, who had certainly had the confidence of the governor raising these kinds of issues. And I think a lot of people are saying, why wasn't there a follow -up? Just because the head of your regulatory agency tells you something, you have a man raising the questions that you have a great deal of confidence in. There's not a particular panic artist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=843.85,864.59"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But apparently the questions were not raised sharply. but apparently - As the memos are described in the press reports, he didn't detail the savings and loans that were involved. He didn't detail the actual incidents that he was aware of. And he apparently was not at liberty because he knew about him in his private capacity as a lawyer. So he passed along some very general questions about whether we had adequate regulations to prevent self -dealing. And it seemed to me, with that kind of a warning, Thanks for watching! But should we? The right reaction was to pass that along. But shouldn't the guy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=865.97,898.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But shouldn't the governor become concerned at the initial warning, particularly when in other states they've been having problems with savings and loans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=897.8,906.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e or more importantly, shouldn't he have been acutely aware after the Ohio crisis when he absented himself and went away on a foreign trip? No, you got it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=906.74,915.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, look, how do you guys feel about what's happening down there? What's your own perception, asking you, asking all of you? You asked me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=914.93,921.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, of course, I think Boyce makes a very good point, and I am shocked that a politician would not think of the common man. I had not heard this or read this anywhere. Yes, all right. Uh, this is one of the few times, by the way, when, uh, I'm glad I don't have a whole lot of money. It is. This crisis is sort of an abstraction to me. I don't have my money anywhere because I don't have much. Jesus Christ, it's the sort of a nap... I do not understand, though, how a bank or a savings and loan gets off telling a person that they can't have their own money back. Does anybody? I mean, we've all read it, and it must be true because it's in the press, right? But how? You're the lawyer here. The problem is, if I lend you that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=924.8,961.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The problem is if I lend you money and you squander it, your response to me is gonna be I can't pay you back. And I think the problem here is there was an awful lot of squandering by a lot of people who shouldn't have been squandering. Your response to me is going to be, I can't pay you back. 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And so that was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=997.61,1012.33"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That one's a yes for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1012.18,1013.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It suggests that that one that they're they're gonna lean toward them. Yeah, I'm gonna say yes. They're gonna give them Senate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1013.48,1019.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e It's going to suggest that they're going to give them cynical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1017.88,1019.54"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Give them the benefit of the doubt. You know what he's trying to do? 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Are you saying that all...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1019.96,1024.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you saying that all politicians are corrupt?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1024.119,1025.839"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm not saying well I'm not saying, well, Paul, I didn't say that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1025.95,1027.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sorry about that, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1028.29,1029.369"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm saying that, I'm saying that in the form of an incident for being corrupt. I know, he's mellowing, he's mellowing in his own head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1028.16,1032.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, John raises a good point, and that is the thousands of viewers watching tonight who are grasping for any kind of new information about their money that they saved and worked their lifetime for, they put their few thousand dollars away, and the government says, you can't have it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1031.31,1049.17"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, what's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1049.15,1049.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I would be, I would be so angry. I would be so angry. What's really outraged, I mean, anyway, and one man said on the news the other night that if he could get away with committing a capital crime, he would. That would be so crazy. I mean, wait. I mean, there's that kind of anger out there. This happened out in Ohio, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1050.09,1063.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e This happened out in Ohio, too, where it said a bank had told people that they could only get $500 a month of their own money. And you know what I thought? a large amount of their own money. They showed a film of the people milling around, mumbling in front of the bank. I thought, this has really shown what our country has come to. Because 50 years ago and before in the history of our country, if you'd have told a group of Americans that they couldn't have their money out of their bank, they would have either burned the bank down or hung the bank manager or done both and got their own money. It's ridiculous. What if the money does?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1061.86,1091.64"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But if the money's not there, it's not there. He's not there. It's not there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1090.73,1093.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we did that as a great crash. Remember, we had the bank holidays to try to preserve the banking system. But you know... So sometimes I think there is justification on the part of government for doing this to prevent an overall financial crisis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1093.29,1109.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Part of the problem is that we had a system that was really a joke, because we had this tiny little so -called insurance fund here, this Maryland Saving Share Insurance Fund, that promoted itself with a seal of the great state of Maryland. It had a pittance of money, it had a tiny little bit of money. It was a seven minute show. 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I UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T but everybody in the industry knew it, and everybody in government knew it. Now. The state... Back last year, you could justify the whole setup with the idea that it had originally been put in place and seemed to have worked over a number of years. But once the Ohio situation took place and once it became clear that you could very well have the same kind of failures here in this state, it seems to me that it was incumbent upon all the people holding high state office to take some immediate steps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1135.06,1174.07"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, so much for the bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1173.52,1175.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I couldn't try to prevent individuals getting hurt and nobody did anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1174.85,1178.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I think an important part of this problem is that we have millions of Americans, citizens, who are very stupid and no longer believe in God we trust. They have transferred that kind of trust to say in government we trust. The idea that if the government certifies a bank and puts a little decal on the door, That it can't Squander your funds. That's ridiculous. Of course it can and it has in many cases I remember seeing that that news film again of people wandering around in shock that they'd trusted the bank They've trusted the government as if it was God","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1175.93,1208.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, think of all the Italian depositors who put their money in the church -run bank that went bust in Italy. 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None of the Maryland banking industry comes in to rescue the depositors. or the Orioles. from the SNLs. It distresses me that there's an awful lot of... 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It's nationwide. The fact that the Orioles did not get into the World Series. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. The fact that Baltimore has no football team except the Stars, the NFL. The stars, the stars. Other serious problems, like population change and bad scores, Baltimore City is the 175th most stressful city in which to live out of 185. This according to a national urban stress test recently conducted by the Zero Population Growth, Baltimore a four on a scale of five for stress. Other reasons are because of hazardous waste and air pollution, unemployment, and Baltimore violent crime in schools ranking below the national average. 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Don't knock North Dakota. I went to graduate school up in North Dakota. What school, boys? Fargo, North Dakota. What's cool, boys? The University of North Dakota, it says Grand Forks. Oh, Grand Forks! Grand Forks. It's a great place to live. No stress up there at all, there's no people. And you divert. 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It's a wonderful place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1354.51,1358.65"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e really is. It's a very, very livable city. Why? Why? It's an affordable city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1359.03,1362.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Why then? If it is, then why are we fourth? 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I'll tell you what it gives me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1374.79,1401.11"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Look, I'll tell you what gives me stress, it's groups like the zero population people going around taking stupid surveys like this. They equate stress with people. They hate people. They say wherever you have a bunch of people, you have problems and stress. That's ridiculous. I would think so. I'd like to see this survey. The questions they ask, I question it. I would think so. I question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1399.12,1417.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, one thing we have to understand that stress is a necessary part of human existence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1418.81,1426.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Garlic of life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1427.52,1428.46"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And we have to learn to live with stress. And I get sort of amused when people talk about stress and being burnt out. That's part of the human experience. So we have to learn to live with it. I'm not sure if the burning out part is. Yes, it is. 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A little bit of garlic makes the... Medicine, go down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1451.74,1454.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, we'll be back in just a moment. We're going to have a little ceremony here, ladies and gentlemen, because this is the final week on this set. We've got some great activities planned in just a moment as we divide the wax fruit bowl. Stand by. We'll be back in a moment. Divide the wax fruit bowl. Oh, stand by. We'll be back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1455.33,1469.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Richard, we're eternally grateful for this. We have been on the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1575.149,1577.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We have been on the set for six of our nine years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1575.53,1579.45"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1579.55,1579.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We have a brand new, beautiful set we're going to be showing you next week, so now is the time to sort of split up the wax fruit, save some of this for St. George, Tony, here's the other grapes for you. Save some of this for St. George. Tony, here are the other grapes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1580.27,1591.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I like this matching grapes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1592.18,1593.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We have the mugs on the back wall. That sucks. Half mugs, here John, let's make a toast. Thank you. May I say something? May I say something? You may propose a toast. Time is almost up. May I say something? You may propose a toast. What did you want to say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1593.05,1604.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to say that this mug is indicative of how phony we are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334#t=1604.4,1607.48"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144628/file/267334/transcript/77337/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I dare you say that, I have the mug. That's what happened to us. Well, here's a plate for you and a plate for each of you. Oh, thank you. If you have any comments or criticisms about our show, we generally do read. Thank you. Letters on the air. Here's our address. Write to us please. It's square off WJZ -TV, Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland 21211 and we'll be happy to read your letters. I'm Richard. on the air. Richard Tune in next week. Tune in next Saturday night at 7 .30. And once again, we swear off from our brand new set. So long. Good night. Tune in next week. 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