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Okay, well we'll start out with that how...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=34.66,39.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll take it as the second question. OK. When it comes to E3. All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=40.85,44.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is one thing that kind of puzzling me to me is, does it seem sort of ironic to you that the animal that we think of as, they're so big. They're such gentle. 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You know, when poachers are coming up to herds of elephants with the same type of guns, there's just no way out for the elephants. You see them sprayed down like this whole family is, you know, 10, 15 animals just sprayed down by a sub-machine gun. , that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=64.43,91.39"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is there any conscience on the part of the potters, do you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=94.68,97.76"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, I think they care. I mean most Africans certainly care about wildlife and have been brought up that way, been brought up in the bush and have lived with wildlife for many years. But when you have to feed your family and it's a poor world we're living in down there, it's a lot of money walking around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=98.77,118.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why such a callous brutality though? I mean, there are ways of killing those only with tusks, for example.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=120.03,125.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, but Africa has been a brutal continent for the last many years and there have been a lot of civil strife and unrest in many parts of Africa and certainly in some of the countries where we have large elephant populations. We also have large numbers of guns left over from the wars like in Uganda, like in the area between Somalia and Kenya and most of those areas. These weapons are now the same weapons being used to kill elephants that were used to kill people. just a couple of years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=126.48,157.09"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But why shoot the untussed and the non-tussed animals, as well as...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=157.63,162.21"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, take Kenya, where you have gangs of poachers coming in from neighboring Somalia. It's quick business. You move in, you shoot your animals, and then you go out again. You don't want to be, you know, caught by the police or anti-poaching patrol. So, there's no selection. It's the easiest and the fastest method used, and that sometimes kills babies, or often kills babies and untussed animals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=162.81,188.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they can't care that much. 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I mean, it's not very nice when you see these huge, magnificent animals just sprayed down like that. You see them with these open faces, you know, where the tusks have been hacked off and lots of blood. You know, the vultures have been there and the other wildlife have been there, you know, eating from the bodies. And it smells bad, you know. It's just a very nasty scene. and you feel really angry when you stand there and you really wanna do something to help. these animals. And this, you know, where I worked has been in national parks. I mean, we're not talking about animals shot because they destroyed a farmer's crop. We're talking about protected animals in national parks that are killed just because of their ivory. And standing there, you know, you may have been working on a project for many years trying to get a park going, and then you just see these animals being killed that way. You know, that's a terrible... feeling, and you know, you feel for crying, but it's reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=203.39,264.73"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, is it is that your reaction is it is it sadness is it discuss? Oh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=266.49,270.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, anger, anger, lots of anger, but sadness, yeah, because you can, I mean I can also understand what's going on, it's very much African reality, I mean obviously we're talking about a very poor continent, we're talking about people who need money, who need food, and ivory represents money, ultimately represents food and wealth, and I can understand all that having been among African people, you know, for several years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=270.72,299.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it a form of terrorism in that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=301.0,306.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you could call it economic sabotage, and a number of leaders in Africa have come out saying that. You have Kenya's president, Moi, having talked about poaching, especially the poaching from Somalia, as economic sabotage on Kenya, because it's destroying Kenya's wildlife, which ultimately means destroying the tourism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=308.51,330.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e which is a bigger business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=331.73,332.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh absolutely, that's the number one foreign currency earner in Kenya right now. And elephants are a very important component in tourism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=333.06,341.42"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, what steps did you take to find out how the trade of ivory flowed out of the country?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=343.54,351.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we have been working on documenting the ivory trade over the last many years. We have been carrying out studies in the Far East, in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates and in Africa over the last couple of years. And over the last ten months we have had some very detailed investigations going on in the Middle East, in the Far East and in Africa as part of a major trade and economic study we have been carrying out. And that has involved going into the countries, dealing with the traders, trying to get into the factories, often undercover, discussing these issues with the dealers. They know much more about it than we do. 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I mean, obviously you didn't say you were from the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=409.42,412.42"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, I didn't say I was from World Wildlife Fund, that's for sure, but I mean, these people are often isolated, take the traders sitting in Dubai, they have been moved in there from Hong Kong, they're Chinese, you know, sitting in Dubai, they're isolated, they're not sort of falling in with the people in Dubai, and often you find that they're really open and it doesn't take much actually to go in and talk to them. It would be different if we were... dealing with the poachers, I mean that's just not the kind of people that you can get any information out of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=412.34,445.37"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you, did you say you were a buyer, or did you, I mean, Well, in tra, in tra, in tra, in tra, in tra, in tra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=446.09,449.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, interest in ivory, yeah, interest in what they were doing and in buying, purchasing ivory, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=449.28,455.02"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e and where we're gonna go from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=456.07,457.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it depends a little bit on the openness of the dealer, but he'll show you what sort of quality they have, what they're producing, introduce you to some of the carvers, look at the detail in the carving and that sort of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=458.07,470.01"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e and that enables you to find out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=470.46,471.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well then the debate or discussion starts up and you get more information about which countries actually supply the ivory and who's involved and who's financing the business and that's the kind of information we need because such a large proportion of the ivory has been illegal. Not only smark volk but we estimate that probably around 90% of all the ivory on the So, you know, the original source has been illegal, even though some of it may be traded with legal documentation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=472.7,506.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So then that information will pass on to the local governments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=507.73,509.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, absolutely. Oh yeah, we're trying to work as much as possible with the African countries themselves because only they can take ultimate action on this issue. And that's happening right now. I mean, we have a real snowball effect in Africa with governments who were previously opposed to banning the trade coming out now asking the international community for a worldwide ban on the ivory trade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=510.31,534.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there's no choice for them. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=535.02,536.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, there's no choice. I mean, we have witnessed some of the most drastic declines in an animal population we have ever seen. I mean, we have lost more than 50% over the last 10 years from 1.3 million animals in 79 to just about 600,000 now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=537.01,552.93"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How, did you put yourself in any danger doing this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=553.959,556.04"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When you deal with sort of contraband or people involved in illegal activities, then, yes, that's dangerous business. But I didn't feel, during some of the work I did, I didn't feel great danger, though. I felt more danger working on other species in countries such as South America, live animal trade, parrot trade, that sort of thing. But we're talking about lots of money involved. incentives uh... you know to to hide the business to to carry on with the legal trade and and uh... you know it sort of resembles very much uh... the drug trade i mean that some of the same elements involved in animal trafficking that you see in the drug trade and and sure it's it's dangerous business if you want to investigate that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=560.21,606.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How so? Is it similar to the travel of drugs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=607.22,609.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the money involved, the methods, the way animals and animal products are being smuggled in small airplanes and, you know, stocked in intermediary countries and so forth, very much sort of the same scenario. Obviously, it's on a smaller scale. But it's sort of orchestrated the same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=610.18,630.56"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it this type of situation where is it less greedy or is it more okay because there's so many people who are so destitute in Africa or is it the same type of situation as drugs where there's obviously one kingpin or one person who's getting wealthy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=631.95,648.99"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there's absolutely greed involved in the ivory trade. Look at who earns the money. Over the last many years, the African countries have probably earned just around $50 million a year, one way or another, not directly into treasury, but the countries have earned about $50 million. But that's really nothing when you look at the total profits made on the ivory trade. You know the street value of that ivory those 800 metric tons Leaving the African country every year is just about one billion dollars And then those monies are made outside Africa. They're made in the Far East. They're made by the middlemen by the ultimate Market here in the states in Europe and those sort of places, so it's not like it's a great benefit to Africa It's not like the Africans are earning a hell of a lot on this trade","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=650.16,703.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Any more than the Colombians are from cocaine or from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=703.75,706.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e from cocaine. It's a handful of people sitting in Hong Kong, in Taiwan, and a couple of other places who really control the trade and own the big box. I mean, there's one dealer in Hong Kong who has documented profits around $20 million a month on ivory trade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=706.42,726.1"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Killing all of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=727.719,728.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, basically killing elephants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=728.64,730.22"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, is there meat of some use? Meat? Yeah. Can the elephant's skin and meat be used for some destructive purpose other than to rot away with their tusks missing? I mean, is that a wasted resource? Well, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=730.89,744.87"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Because the majority of the elephants or the ivory on the market has come from poached elephants, the rest of the elephant is usually not being used at all. I mean, you'll have these bodies, you know, just decomposing on the savannah in the forest. In certain controlled calling schemes in Zimbabwe and South Africa and a couple of other countries, the entire animal is being used. hide is used for cowboy boots. The U.S. is one of the major importers of elephant hide for the cowboy boot industry in Texas. And internally, in a country like Zimbabwe, the meat is being used for local communities, the bones are being used for bone meal, and the entire animal is being used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=745.25,791.44"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e for now in the case of Postol.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=792.03,793.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you're just hacking the tusks off and the rest is left out there to the vultures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=794.19,798.35"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is your relationship with the elephants themselves? Have you spent a lot of time with them? Oh yeah. Are they your friends? I mean, how do you view the elephants?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=800.4,811.08"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I view them as really wonderful animals, as really intelligent and, I mean, really great animals. When you watch them over a long time, I mean, you get to know the individuals because they have individual features. And you get to understand how they communicate with each other. And in many ways, they sort of resemble. human beings and the whole communication system within elephants is just fantastic and you know the way they interact in social communities with their babies and how the family groups help each other and all that is just really wonderful to watch and I haven't really experienced anything like that with any other animal. I mean I've worked on... on many different species. I really started on birds, but it's nothing like watching elephants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=811.94,870.72"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that where you derive your passion from in this particular project, just your love of the ammo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=872.05,877.95"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh sure, I mean the only reason why I'm doing what I'm doing is because I like animals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=878.16,881.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e the elephant in particular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=883.27,884.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=884.48,885.38"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And have you noticed the population dwindling yourself in your various trips, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=886.49,891.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, on certain trips I spend more time watching dead elephants than I spend watching live elephants. But there are a couple of places in East Africa in particular where you can really get close to them and where they are well protected and where you can drive out and they know the car is so well used by scientists in those areas that you can reach out and touch them. I mean, when they come that close to the car, you know, and that's really... wonderful and you know you get the smell and you can you can feel the communication and because it's this deep uh... ultrasound is rumbling you know you can feel in your lungs when it moves and and you can it's really wonderful","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=892.95,934.98"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But you said that you've come across a lot more camps, a lot of camps, I mean, it's not just isolated times. You've come across a lot of poached colonies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=936.46,944.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I've seen quite a number of poached families in certain parks, in Kenya's Savo National Park in particular, but a couple of other places as well. That must be horrible. Oh, it is horrible. Absolutely. It's awful. I mean, you feel for sort of dropping out of it. I mean, it's just too much. You go from one park where you have spent time. uh... watching them and been really close to these animals and then you go to another park where you just see them sprayed down you know sub-machine guns. I mean, it's sort of like going from from heaven into the killing field which is, I mean, such a such a great contrast that is just very difficult to accept.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=946.09,992.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, how can you be so sympathetic towards the poachers, I mean, or towards the, because you say that-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=993.61,999.49"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e because I like Africans as well. I mean, I like the people very much in Africa. They're wonderful people. And they have big problems. And we're not very good, I mean, our community is not very good at taking care of these problems. I mean, we're not talking about a lot of money here. If we could just get like 10, 20, 30 million dollars into some of these countries on an annual basis to help. local communities to help improve benefit plans and those sort of things, then we wouldn't have poaching. I mean poaching is because there's obviously a huge demand for ivory out there, but the real incentive is the money for the local communities. If we could sort of supplement that with good benefit plans or better medical care, that sort of thing, then we wouldn't have the same poaching problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=999.44,1052.23"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that realistic? I mean, you really believe that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1053.15,1054.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what is $30 million? That's nothing. I mean, we're not talking about a lot of money for conservation or for developing infrastructures or for helping local communities. It's just that in development packages developed by USAID and other international development agencies, you don't see this sort of money being put aside for people or being put aside for animals or national parks, that sort of thing. If that's possible, then you would improve the situation tremendously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1055.11,1087.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it, since so many of the adult males are gone, is it really the babies at this point that are, I mean, not only are their tusks taken, but then when they're, they're often orphaned, I mean, are they the ones who are bearing a large part of the brunt of the poaching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1090.59,1108.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, all the big bull elephants were shot many years ago and you have a younger and younger population of elephants in Africa and the demographics in the population have changed greatly over just the last ten years. Now you see more and more immatures and females going into trade. You see adult females being killed for the ivory trade and if that female is walking around with a baby, a young baby, then that baby will die as that sort of you are invisible. victim from the ivory trade. You can't read that out of the ivory statistics, but you know, twenty, thirty thousand babies are killed every year just because their mothers are being killed. But look, look at these tusks here. This is an ivory tusk, you know, traded just a few years ago, about ten pounds. This is still an immature animal, but over the last few years... The average weight has dropped down to just about five, six pounds. This is a baby elephant, and that's the majority of the ivory traded today. I mean, this is tiny stuff. This guy never played a role in reproduction. I mean, he was a baby when he was killed. And this is just, you know, for our consumption of ivory. I mean, working on this program, our campaign of World Wildlife Funds, I've been in touch with a lot of people here in the States and Africa and other places, and it has been such a surprise to me to realize how few people in fact know that, well, first, ivory comes from elephants, but also that it just takes one ivory bracelet to kill an elephant. I mean, you can only get it if you kill the animals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1109.71,1218.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There's no way to take any part of it, it's a living part of the health.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1219.69,1222.19"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It is, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1222.49,1223.05"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So there's no way to remove a part of it without...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1223.18,1224.66"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you could theoretically sort of cut it off, I guess, or you could have surgery and whatever. I mean, but that's just not practical in Africa. I mean, half of the population is found in the forest. There's no way you can round them up, dart them, and take the tusks off in a humane way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1224.72,1242.2"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you find it hard to convey to people, look, that bracelet killed an elephant. I mean, is that a hard thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1242.84,1247.14"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, when you make that connection it's not hard, but a lot of people just have never made that connection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1247.52,1252.78"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e a lot of people reluctant to accept it in what sense were they were they disbelieving?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1253.73,1260.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, that's why in a public awareness campaign we use, you know, gruesome pictures of elephants with their faces hacked off, or bloody pictures, because people either have a mental block there, you know, will just not accept that it takes a dead animal to get this one, or they just never realized it. Maybe they have always thought that ivory was growing on trees, I mean, who knows? I mean But it's that kind of ignorance to the problem that I have met so many times over the last couple of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582#t=1261.0,1292.88"}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267582/transcript/77544/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/544/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-045-001_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308679","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/077/544/original/trint_WJZ-UNKN-045-001_FFV1_transcript.vtt?1742308679"}]}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267583","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - open-uri20250314-1605153-sn1v40.mp4"]},"duration":1339.348,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/267/583/small/open-uri20250314-1605153-sn1v40_1741977598.jpg?1741977599","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267583/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267583/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-marmia.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/267/583/original/open-uri20250314-1605153-sn1v40.mp4?1741977595","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":1339.348,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/144757/file/267583","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[]}]}