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We're live on City Line. I'm Jackie Hall. And I'm Dan Henson. You know, doing this holiday season, many of us will reflect on the true meaning of Christmas that is the birth of Christ. For most of us, the image of Christ is of a white male with blond hair and blue eyes. It is this image of the divine that an organization known as Crave or the Committee for the removal of all images of the Divine is against. Assessing the concerns facing black America. I'm t monte and we'll do that with Johnny Jacobs, president of the national Urban League. My name is Tim Watts. And today on the entertainment page, it's another city line, double music video mix. We've got Jimmy Cliff and Melba moore and Dick Gregory and Hustler magazine are going into business together. Does the personification of Christ we most often see cause blacks to feel inferior? We're going to ask Imam Ronald Shakir of the Baltimore masjid of the world community about Islam in the West. We'll ask him that and much more when City Line continues. He's been. Greetings. Good afternoon and welcome to the City line. You know, in preparation for the show, today's City Line took its cameras to Mondawmin Shopping Center. And we asked a question of the people on the street and madame, and we asked them simply, What is your image of the divine? So when I think of the divide physically, I picture a very bronzed man with a struggle on his face, a look of hard times, but determination. The image that I have been taught to believe in is tall, blond, blue eyes. And I like to think that is, you know, just something that is imagined. But I don't believe that there is an image, God is a spirit, and therefore he has no physical features.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=74.27,222.89"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If there were any physical features, he would look like a human. Because in the genesis he said that he made, we were made after his image and so therefore we would be similar to him. So I don't know that he has any real physical features in that he is spirit. Well, I think he's not really a special call. I think he's all colors. I feel as though, you know, he's not really a white man at all. This is a tall and long house, sometimes white. And sometimes Don is a person this tall and he has long hair, you know. But I never thought about him as being, you know, white or black. I've always thought of him as being a supreme being. When I think of the divine, I think of a strong grandfather figure who is troubled and cares a lot. And one of the great things happened, but I'm sure he's pretty disappointed with the world as it is today. Those were some of the comments of people that we met at Mondawmin Shopping Center. We now want to talk with Imam Ronald Shakir, who is the leader of the Baltimore Mojeed of the World Community of All Islam in the West. Welcome to City Line today. Thank you. What are your what is your response to some of the comments that you heard and what is the image that we see that you are taking issue with? Well, let me can I if I can just begin by saying that our organization is now called the American Muslim Mission. We had a long period of being called the royal commission about Islam, but today we are the American Muslim mission. Thank you for that. And as far as the comments that we have just heard signify very clearly the problem that we have addressed in terms of the problem in having the racial divinities or idols that we consider divine, which we find in all scripture that tells us that idolatry is against what the creator or the supreme being desires and in most scripture tells us, is one of the things that is most hated in the sight of Almighty God, as is commonly called in the American society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=223.37,367.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that and the problems and the reason that as we look at it and we study the reasons for this, we find out that the reason that this should be hated and by any intelligent thinking person is because of the problems that is created. If you see that which is divine, that which has power over, not only power over, but that force that originated death and life that is so infinite that we could reduce it to something finite, that we could touch and identify with our senses. So. And then to put that supreme being inside of a frail, weak human form and then to choose to select one particular form to put it in. This creates problems for human beings in terms of their self development, self growth and all of those types of things. So we not only are we, but we are against it because God is against it. Okay. We have so much more to talk with the imam. Imam Ronald Shakir, when we continue next on City Line. And. City is back and we're discussing the committee to remove all images that attempt to portray the divide with Imam Ronnell Shakir, who was a leader of the Baltimore masjid of the American Muslim Mission, which is located on Wilson Street right here in Baltimore. Imam, just before we went away, you were explaining the problem with the images that portray the divide. And I do want to remind the people at home that you can join in our discussion, first of all, by calling Floyd one 3030. But just before we went away, we were discussing this, this image. I've noticed for the last several years that many of the Christian churches in the area have begun to change the image from a white image, a tall white image, as many of the people mentioned in the in a tape segment to a black image.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=368.44,558.57"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is that what you're looking for? No, not at all. Any image of divine is as wrong as and as we perceive this from Scripture. And I think any intelligent group of people that are studying the great potential that what religion does for humanity, because human beings are the ones that need religion and what it does for human beings, I think once they realize this, I think they would be against that. Also recent, not recently, but in the sixties, a group of black educators did a study. I think Kenneth Clarke, a black psychologist, led the study where they placed the little dolls, white image dolls and black image dolls in a room with little, I think, elementary aged children, blacks and whites. And they discovered that none of the children chose to play with the African American image dolls. And from this they surmised that not seeing enough images of them themselves in the textbooks at that time. But, Jane, they were all you saw in educational material, especially at the elementary school level. So from this, they surmised that this was creating all sorts of inferiority complex and other learning difficulties in African-American children. So from this, we had this whole movement to put more black images in textbooks. Now they surmise and develop and saw this problem of learning and development in children because of these not seeing their image. Then we look at something we consider divine and the impact that this had in the Powell and the thought that this has over the life of a human being, then we place God Almighty a lot, as he's called in that Islam. We place this supreme being and we see that he's inside of a person, in this person that he's inside of is a Caucasian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=560.01,662.16"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And not only is he Caucasian, he Kofi, he is the son, the child and all of these things. Do you say then, that portraying Christ as a white male? Is causing blacks to feel inferior. Oh. It is the root of the problems that African-Americans and non-Caucasian people have the world over that have taken and absorbed this idea that God had a child and this child was not only God, they believe that He was the child became God personified. And this personification took place inside of a Caucasian person, even though there's no no place in Scripture. Even if we had to use an image and have to go by the Bible description of this man Jesus, it would not be a Caucasian. In the Bible it says that this man that they were referring to had hair like lambs, little feet, like burned bras and so forth, which which would allude to a different type of person. Imam, if you're successful, if Creed is successful in removing all the images of the divine. So what I mean, what does that what does that solve? Well, that that same question would have would have should have been proposed if it didn't mean anything to Kenneth Clarke and those other say, what is the use of taking Dick Cheney's spot out and putting some African-Americans in Dick Cheney Spot and Tarzan are still images that the black kids and white kids see. Yes, they see them. But I'm saying it gives us equal. It suggests we learn. We come in the world with no knowledge at all. We develop and whatever we become, we become that based upon the knowledge and information that we have saw from the environment in which we exist. If we exist in an environment that not only tells us that the reason our skin is the color that it is, is because we are curse, because we lost children of ham and ham with the son of Noah, nor got drunk and ham.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=662.94,771.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you curse to be the color you are. That's the curse upon you. This is coming out of Scripture. So you occurred in God, had children, He had a family, and he was personified in another image psychological problems, inferiority complex and all these things and these polarities among the people we hear all the time side of that. What about the flip side of that, since the image that we most often see is of a white male? What does that do for those people who have that same likeness? Give them a false superiority complex that they are superior or above any one else on the planet Earth gives them that that that that Superman and that whole Hitler complex, that they are super people, a super race and everyone else must be subservient and serve them because they are in the family of God and you're not. Let's bring in our home audience right now. Hi. Would you like to talk with our guests this morning? Hello? Yes, go ahead. Hi. My name is Alita Harrison. Go ahead. Hello? Yes. Okay. You cannot listen to yourself on your hard to leave the house. You know what I'm saying? I'm very opposed to what this young man is saying. Please go ahead. All right. Well, what I'm saying. I'm sorry, okay? I'm very opposed to what he is saying. Okay. I was raised in a Christian family. We were taught that God is God. He's a supreme being and he's here to help you. We never worked towards that. He was green, blue, white or black. I feel all this opposition about this color that they're coming up with. It's something that was brought up one of his laws, this thing that he's in to this, um, what is it that, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=771.71,863.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, what is the American Muslim faith? I feel better when all this stuff came up, all the superlative thoughts kind of different. All of this stuff came out before they found out this Islam and stuff. It was just typical guy, just typical Supreme being Nazi that we go to that he's black. Can I ask you a question? CALLER So he's gonna serve the same purpose to you, me or anybody else. And I feel this kind of thing is just something that something is coming up with within the eighties. CALLER Can I ask you a question? It was never could you hold on. Let me ask you a question, Callie. What is what is your image? What do you think of when you think of the divine? I what I think of we're not going to run. I feel like that's God. God, What does God look like, though? But what does God look like over here? We won't remember a couple of years we get there. Whether he's green or blue will not make me live long or make you live lot more. Make us quicker. Make you back with regard to what God is we going to live and we going back. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for calling. We're going to go to another telephone call. Hi. You're on City Line live. Good afternoon. I'm calling because I have a question for Mr. Cure. I'm wondering whether or not you are were born Islamic or an Islam a muslim, or is it a faith you adopted? Well, it was a faith that I adopted. I was my family. I come out of Louisiana and my family was Catholic and I walked away from Christianity as a child, Catholicism, and particularly as a child, because I was in a segregated environment, very religiously orientated and discovered as a child that a black man in Louisiana in the sixties could not become a priest, which was the, I guess, the ultimate in terms of your evolution in Catholicism for a male.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=864.26,965.24"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when I discovered that, I would begin to perceive that there were some great injustices, some great problems with that and I could not comprehend. And then, you know, during the sixties was the time of the great civil rights movement. Begin to give me a better focus on the world and reality. And I realized there was some problems here. And so from there, I just got away from religion, period. What was the importance of your question? CALLER I wanted to point out that particularly in any society or in any group of people, when a religious force tries to indoctrinate others, they tend to adopt patterns like the group that they want to bring in. For example, in this country, which is primarily white, I think that it is just logical that the image that most of most of America, most Americans perceive of the divine be Caucasian, screaming, blond hair and blue eyes, although it's illogical, according to the Bible. We're going to have to go to a break now. And thank you so much. Okay. We're going to come back with Imam Ronald Shakir right after this. Now, here's this week's community calendar. If your group or organization would like to announce an event, please write us in care of City Line. WJC TV Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland 212, one, one. Or call us for further information at 46600013. Between the hours of nine and five. We're back on City Line talking about the images of the divine with Imam Ronald Ronald Shakir. We're going to take a question from our audience first. Imam Shakir, my question relates directly to what Mr. Hansen was talking about in the beginning. That is Christmas. Does racial image of Divine have any relationship or influence on the outcome of the Christmas? Yes, it does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=965.93,1233.63"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As far as I perceive it, and I think many of our members of our community perceive it being that we do not involve ourselves in the celebration of this particular holiday, even recognizing that it is a very high holy day with the Christian community. But the problem that we see again with that we have again that's generally and primarily Caucasian image in in the religion where it takes away from parents. Parents work very hard, very hard, struggling to buy these high priced items for their children. And then someone has told them that they should not take the credit for this. They should not imbibe from their of their children the respect, the honor, the love for this blood and sweat that they go through to make this a happy occasion for them. Instead of that they have been orientated to transfer all of this hard work and labor and everything to some other image, some other creatures, another person, and they lose all of that, respects all the family life is again, the generations still building up at this particular period. So yes, it is a problem. It's a great problem for the family. It's a great problem for not only African-American families in this sense, but these idolatry of these images just creates problems. And I may I say this before we go to the quick call. We are not our intention is not to stop people from from worshiping as Christians or Jews or whatever is to deal with a problem that affects humanity generally. Okay. Let's take another question from home. Hi, You're live on City Line. My name is Charles. Sure. I'm calling with regard to what is happening on the screen right now. I don't think God has any image.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=1234.98,1328.58"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think we human being, we're only trying to create something out of nothing, you know, regardless of whatever religion one believes in. According to John Paul Sartre, he says money is freedom. And if money is freedom, everyone has the right to decide or to believe in whatever he or she wants to believe in. I think if one look into this present day society, one would be able to understand religion itself is just an instrument of oppression. You can't imagine what really happens to my fellow black brothers and sisters in this society. You know, during the period of slavery, you know, all this work people, the notion of white God, why Christ, why is it just total bullshit, you know? And I think you've got to really exist, you know, if there's ecology, really, Because if we're only going to divide when we believe we'll be able to understand and you will not have all this white crazy people out. Yeah, You know, they keep on saying crisis with Christ. Okay, I just. I have a problem understanding the Christian doctrine. Thank you so much for your comment. Thank you. We have a question from the audience. Yes, sir. Yes. I'd like to ask a question in reference to the activity that went on this summer as far as the walking or demonstration around the churches. Like, you know, the purpose behind that. And the other part of the question is, is this, Craig, or the idea that only a Islamic concern is this cause of Christian concern or Jewish concern as well? Yes. I'll take the first part of your question. I think we, as many may know during our last year and much of the summer, we were appealing in the community and primarily we used the area of religious institutions as an appeal to religious people and God conscious people in terms of having images of the divine and the problem simply to put it on the mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=1329.07,1430.85"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, we have no power. We're marching around churches. Oh, yes, we have no power, no authority to change people. We don't have that kind of power. But we want to put the concern, the idea on the mind of human beings. What kind of response did you get? We got some favorable and some not not favorable, but we got all types of responses and ran the gamut. We got supporters in other religious communities and some we didn't. But it was not to end this, you know, to change people. We lost some of the best people I know. I guess I guess you've answered the second part of the question also and that this is not just in. Right. It's a concern of all God's conscious people. Let's try to get a quick one in. Good afternoon. Your live on City Line. Yes, I would like to say salaam alaikum. Like a man. Salaam and. Go ahead, please. Yes. And I would like to also say that, first of all, our people must get rid of the slave mentality that they had. Okay. They also most of your history, you know, of religion before they can. Missy, you're listening to yourself on television. You're holding up the conversation. Could you just talk to us? Yeah, I'm saying I'm saying also they should also know the history of religion. Okay. I don't think it's a matter of color, but it's the thing is, why do they use, um. Why do they use images in the first place when in the Bible is says that, um, there are no, you know, they're supposed to be that idol worship. Oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you. Sometimes that images have been used all through history to depict God. Maybe not man like images of human images, but images have always, always been used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=1431.24,1527.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we have to understand that the images have been used as a political instrument. The images in religion have been used as political instrument to oppress, suppress and control particular groups of people in the world, which has no scripture. None point to the fact that they should have images of the divine, especially the monotheistic faith. So we should just simply eliminate all images and worship God as a as a spirit that no one has ever laid eyes upon. All righty. Thank you so much for coming by to talk with us about the issue of Imam and Ronald Shakir of the American Muslim Mission and the trade organization. Thank you. We'll be back in just a moment. We'll take a break now. Good afternoon. We're back now on satellite. And for today's news segment, we will feature an interview with Johnny Jacobs, president of the National Urban League. Mr. Jacobs, thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. 1984 seems to be shaping itself into a pretty interesting year. What do you see as some of the significant factors that will impact on black America? Let's start off politically. Well, clearly, the election is going to occupy the major agenda items for America generally and for black America. And just as present, Jesse Jackson's presence in that hunt for the prize is clearly going to make some significant contributions to that. It will clearly, in my judgment, energize black the black community. It will clearly liberate America from the notion that high office is reserved for white males. And it will clearly challenge America both Jesse's party. It will challenge the black community. It will challenge the media. It will challenge the Justice Party because his white opponents must compete with him for black votes, just like he must compete with them for white votes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=1527.96,1718.36"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It will challenge black America because we have to make certain that we do not get into the position where Jesse's candidacy deludes us into thinking that that will generate all the black votes that we need. Black organizations must carry that responsibility and will challenge the media because we must make sure that the media does not paint the picture that the fate of black America rides or falls on Jesse's candidacy. Is the Urban League in support of Jackson's candidacy? Well, we do not by virtue of the fact that we are tax exempt nonpartizan agency get involved in supporting or not supporting. We do think that we have a responsibility to educate the public, and so we will choose to do that. What is your position on the Reagan administration? I know that during Mr. Jordan's tenure with the Urban League, he was quite an outspoken critic of the White House administration and in particular a Ronald Reagan, I think it was jelly beans. He referred to jelly bean candidate or something to that. Well, I continue to tell the truth about the president and his administration. And in telling the truth, we speak to the fact that he has demonstrated a high degree of insensitivity to the needs of the poor and the disadvantaged were blacks are disproportionately represented. And also during his administration, there has been a severe assault on the civil rights of poor people, in minority people in the nation. And so we continue to speak it the way that it is and let the chips fall where they may. What do you see? 1984 holding for black Americans educationally and with the oncoming of the high tech computer age? Well, I think we have to be clear and understanding that high tech is really no salvation for black America, and it is no salvation for white America, because there is already a gap educationally that exist between black America need and black America technology and where the country is going, the gap widens with high technology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=1719.11,1819.28"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And therefore, to get to that problem, it requires that the public generally extends itself to make sure that blacks are not excluded from that process and that blacks are included by making all of the technology, by making the equity and the excellence of that technology available to black people. Let's talk about what happens on the domestic front and what's happening with our family unit. Each year, the Urban League publishes the state of Black America, and recently you've been very concerned about the increasing numbers of illegitimate births within the black community and female headed households and also the poverty level among black female households. Where do we go in terms of addressing that problem? Well, I think that the black community itself must make an all out assault on those problems because they are problems that the black community, in my judgment, can provide the leadership on. And to the degree that we do that, we can then bring into the fold others who are caring and concerned about what happens. I think we have to address forthrightly the high incidence of pregnancies among teenagers. We have to address forthrightly the needs and aspirations and concerns of single female headed households and understand that the problem is not simply associated with the fact that they do not have husbands. It is associated with the fact that they are black and female and therefore faced with racism and sexism and therefore in the delivery of services and in the availability of resources, they find themselves in double jeopardy. And I believe what we have to clearly make certain is that we bring all of these resources to bear to deal with their problems. Mr. Jacobs, let's talk briefly, if we can, sir, about unemployment. Unemployment has come to be known as an integral part of the black community and the black teenage community in particular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=1820.15,1918.55"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, what are we going to do, sir, about the devastating impact that unemployment is having and will have on the black community? Our unemployment figures have bottomed out at about leveled off to about 20%. And of course, you know, within the black teenage community, it's 50% and it's somewhat a nationally accepted norm. Well, and it's even worse than that because you talking about the officially reported statistics when you factor in the hidden unemployment. Our unemployment for adults is around 31% and for teen is a 68 to 70%. So it is a crisis issue. I think the first thing that we have to recognize is that a one dimensional approach will not resolve that problem. It seems to me that we not only must rely on. The private sector. Caring is responsibility, but government must also understand that it has a role in dealing with the problem we've called for in the Urban League a universal employment and training system that provides for the private sector to have a participatory role. But government through public works and public service provide an opportunity for people to work. And fourthly, that we come through with an industrial policy that takes into account that people are being displaced and need to be trained and retrained, and that we ought to find a way using our public policy to address the magnitude of the problem concerning black adults and teenagers and dealing with unemployment. What part of dealing with the unemployment problem in black America lies within black America and us channeling our spending resources, our capital, buying businesses, and re employing our own? What? How do you see us channeling spending power? Clearly, I think that there can be greater contribution on the part of blacks in supporting blacks and black businesses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=1919.15,2016.6"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think it would be a mistake for us to place the burden of employing and training blacks on the backs of black businesses, white businesses that haven't done it in the past, and black businesses are struggling just just to survive. I think we ought to be in business because we ought to be in business. But I think the challenge and to the unemployment issue is not only the minimal part that blacks can play, black business can play, but the maximum role that the private sector must play and the maximum role that the government must play in helping us to assault that problem. And one final question, sir. If you can deal in analogies and if you charted or if you describe the progress of black America in terms of a mode of transportation, in terms of getting us from point A, where we began in this country to point B, where we want to be today in 1983 and beyond. How would you describe that mode of transportation? How would you describe it? Would we traveling on a car, we traveling by horseback? Are we traveling by plane? And have we gotten there yet? Well, I think we may very well be traveling by train, but we are traveling on several tracks. And part of the difficulty is that as we escalate to move certain blacks into the American mainstream, there is another track that is leaving massive numbers of blacks behind. And I think that what we have to recognize is getting a few up the track is not the solution to the problem. The true test is how we get that mass up the track so that we are dealing with an improvement in the total condition that confronts black America and America generally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=2017.32,2101.5"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Jacobs, thank you very much. Thank you for having me. We're back on City Line. And, you know, one of the most exciting things to happen in this country in the last couple of years has been the opening up of the space program to nontraditional people. And we did a special, as you'll remember, when Colonel Guy Bluford, who was the first black astronaut, and we've got with us today another an additional black astronaut, Colonel Fred Gregory, the kind of welcome. We're glad to have you with us. But then and also and also we've got Colonel Henson. Colonel, I should never forget that Colonel Henson, who is the director of public affairs of Bowman Washington International Airport. And the purpose of them being here today is to. Colonel Gregory is in town to kick off a exhibit at Baltimore-Washington International Airport called Black Wings. And tell us a little bit about the exhibit. Well, I was invited to come up and it's certainly a pleasure to come to come to see it. It's a basically recognition of our past, a past that I really didn't know anything about until 1975 or so. I never realized that there were black pilots. I never knew that we had a significant military force fighting in World War Two and did very well in World War Two. And I'm just privileged and proud to come up here and basically see my past and see those people who allowed me to be where I am now. Well, we're extremely happy to have you and Mr. Henson. I just might ask you to up you know, the exhibit is at BWI. It starts today. Yes. And what time to start? Well, actually, it does not start today. Today is the premiere showing of the exhibit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=2102.31,2344.68"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tomorrow is the actual day that opens to the public. It'll be there from nine until 830 each day, seven days a week. And it's open to the general public, as we said. And we're inviting people, especially groups, to come out, people of all races to see this. It starts with Bessie Coleman, who was our first black licensed pilot, who was a woman, of course, and goes right straight through Colonel Gregory here. And it's just a fantastic exhibit. I'm just so excited about having been at the airport. Why was it so long in coming? Well, it's been at several other locations around the country. We have the exclusive showing of this exhibit in the Maryland area. When it leaves here, I believe it goes to the New York area. So we've got it for 30 days. It's from the 19th of December through Martin Luther King's birthday on January 15th. Okay. Colonel, I can't have you here without asking you a little bit about what it took to become an astronaut. Simple. Well, I started out as a poor little black kid in D.C. and went through Washington public schools and then went out to the United States Air Force Academy. And I had a great desire to fly. And I flew many different kinds of airplanes, helicopters and fighters and transport airplanes and decided I wanted to do a little bit more. I think it's I can tell that you've flown over 40 different I've flown quite a few airplanes. I sometimes forget what they are. But after I had flown operationally, I decided I wanted to wanted to try something else. And so I became a test pilot, went through a test pilot school, the Navy school down at Patuxent, Maryland. And they had an astronaut selection, an announcement for a selection in 1977.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=2345.34,2446.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, I was considering it, but some of those gentlemen that I was mentioning earlier, the Tuskegee Airmen, called me and said, You should apply to this program. And of course I did. And I was lucky enough to be selected. How long you been in the program? I've been in there now since 1978. About five and a half years now. You were talking about the Tuskegee Group. Give us some of those names. I know there are a lot of people in our audience that would recognize them. Well, Chappie James, Joe, Chappie, James, uh, there's the you know, they're they're just many, many, many, you know, Benjamin David Davis went through there and there are just so many of them that we that we see them daily and we we don't know who they are or what they've done, but it was a very significant program. They were the red tail tails flying, flying out of northern Africa and Italy. Now, you'll be going up in space around next November, next Thanksgiving. What role will you have on that mission? Well, I'm going to be the pilot on what will be the second Spacelab mission. The one that just landed was a special Spacelab mission. They will empty out the the Spacelab, the module and put in some new experiments and I will be the pilot on that flight. How long is that flight going to be? Seven days or eight days or so. Oh, that's fantastic. Seven days or eight days or so. Yes. Well, we don't know the last two days. It ended up being ten days. Yeah. Maybe we had the people at home that you can join in the conversation. Maybe we can get him one phone call by calling for. One 1330 Uh, Colonel Gregory is here, and one of the things that I want to ask him about is, is his advice to young people about going into the space program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=2448.27,2548.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. I am. I have a lot of frustration because we are represented and we are present now. But we look at the pipeline, the people who will follow us, and there there are very few, if any, in the pipeline. And and so when we finish our program, we're we're not sure whether we're going to be present anymore. And we might end up being a picture in a in a in an airport again, as the past. What kind of preparation would you advise young people to get if they want to go into space? I think that you really have to have a very well-rounded education. You have to not only be a scientist or an engineer or a mathematician, but you have to be able to speak properly and write properly, have a have a good idea about American history and world history and economics and know a little bit about law. And so I would say a liberal arts education, but also a very significant portion of in engineering and math. But but one thing you're going to have to want to do there, but a very kind of silly question but is not meant to be frivolous. But doesn't it take a kind of special person and a well-balanced person to be able to take the pressure of the program? And also if eventually getting into flight, being able to withstand that pressure as well? Oh, I don't think so. I think the pressures that you see in school and and everyday life are as as severe as those things that we see in space or that we will experience in space. It's just an extension of your education. And it's actually no more difficult than flying a just a regular airplane or driving on the ice in Baltimore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=2549.67,2646.96"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As I always said, you were a special breed of women and men. You've been reading too many books. I think we've found that already. Carl Gregory is kind of a modest person. I mean, he is the pilot of the next space flight to go up, and that's a very special role. I think that's the role of the media pays more attention to. And so we're looking forward to seeing you. Carol, Let me just ask you one more time. Black Wings are an exhibit of blacks in aviation from the beginning, from the beginning up through the astronaut program and hopefully into the future. We look forward to the general public coming out. And I hope that people really take advantage of this. It's just a beautiful thing to see. Let me say quickly that I saw it at the Smithsonian a year ago, and it is well worth getting to the Baltimore-Washington International Airport to see it. You will enjoy it. Thanks for being with us today. We're going to take a break and come back with Tim Watson, the entertainment face. Kind of a quick one. Jimmy Cliff and Melba moore headline Tim's Entertainment page a day with some really good music. Today, it's another city line, double music video mix. First, it's off to the islands for a tune from Jimmy Cliff. Jimmy is really the original reggae man. He was making reggae music before most of us had even heard of Bob Marley. Jimmy goes kind of commercial on this tune. It's called Reggae Nights. Then for our second video, it's Melba moore with her new tune, Keeping My Lover Satisfied. So here's our satellite double music video mix, Jimmy Cliff and Melba moore. You recognize. Concerned with a sharp rise. And this is the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=2647.44,2858.4"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. We come together. Edward. Benjamin. Oh. Does God. We've got to get. Benjamin to the morning. We'll find. Want some help. So don't. This. People coming from. So you take a look at this man. But I'm not gonna let this lock up and run. We've got to get the. Oh. And maybe John in the morning. They want. John. But. Round, man. Oh. We've got to. Go read. And the beach until the morning goes. Nice. Oh. Naturally the. So let's just have babies. There's no question. The. One theory that Joe Madison might. The left. You. We. I don't know what it would be. To me with my thing. Is that supposed if this is a dream. I. The one who left myself and my. You were. We. But. No. And I think the. A tough time. So my. You were there at the. We. That's an album with her latest tune. And before that, we saw Jimmy Cliff with reggae nights. Look for Melvin to star next year in her own comedy TV series. In entertainment news, Cicely Tyson is suing Elizabeth Taylor. Liz Taylor is one of the producers of a Broadway play called The Corn Is Green. And Cicely was the star of the show, at least until she missed a performance. She was in the South with her husband, Miles Davis, because he was accepting an award. She missed her plane to New York and could not perform that night. Liz Taylor promptly fired Cecily. So she is now suing Liz for $625,000. Finally, Hustler magazine has offered Dick Gregory one and a half million dollars for his weight reduction product, which Hustler will put on the market. So far, Dick has neither accepted nor turned down the offer. Well, it will be 1984 the next time we get together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=2860.24,3363.13"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So have a great holiday. My name is Tim. What's. That's today's edition of City Land. We do, however, want to remind you of a couple of things. First of all, letters are one of the ways in which we plan how to do future shows. One of the ways in which we know whether or not we're doing what you want us to do is by you writing to us. And so we would like you to give us a little note to let us know all of those things about city land that you like or don't like, or for that matter, what you want us to do in the future. Plus, we just enjoy hearing from you anyway. And it's so nice. Read your letters. We do read all of them, even if we don't get a chance to answer all them personally. And we do answer some. Oh, indeed we do. Sure. Also in the audience, you notice that City Line does have an audience every week. And if you'd like to be in our audience for any of the shows that are coming up, you can give us a call at 4660013 anytime during the week and just ask to be on City Line and we'll try to line it up for you. Now, coming up in the future, first of all, next week, Christmas City Line will not be here. We're preempted and we preempted for Christmas special. Yes. And so you won't really see us until the first of the year. Again, Tim said you'll see us two in 1984 and we're going to come back with a New Year survival kit on January 1st. First of all, we're going to be talking about crime prevention and we're also going to be talking about credit counseling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=3363.58,3443.91"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For those of you who spent too much money over the holidays, and I think you're going to find it very helpful as the year goes on on January 8th, the Organization for the Enforcement of Child Support is going to be with us. Very serious problem, child support. And I think you're going to be wanting to watch us. And then on January 15th, only for the second time of of the year, we're going to be preemptive and city that will not be you want to be exactly right on on January 22nd, we're going to do something that's going to be a very hot issue. It's called Men Sharing. There are those out there who believe that there is a shortage of men and that the only way some women will have men is simply just to decide deliberately that they will share with other women one man or two, whether they know it or not. Okay. So that's January 22nd. And on January 29th, we'll have a group that was scheduled once before, but that has been rescheduled, called Blacks for Reagan. And we'll have them on the set and we will talk to them. And so that's the month of January. And we've so we'll be happy if you with us. But remember, give us your letters, give us your calls and let us know whether or not you want to be on the audience, since we won't be on Christmas. We want to do our little Christmas salute to you right now and bring our family before you now and introduce you to some of those good people who help put this show together, some of the creative minds. You know, we're just the mouthpieces and sit out front. But some of these people, the ones who actually carried it and we'd like to open it all up now and show some of the city line family members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=3444.54,3529.56"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To my immediate left is Ernest Renbourn, who is the associate producer of Silly Line. Don't say anything. Just nod your head. I'll be here. All of those nice the tapes that you see at the beginning of the show and the way that we know that we're we're not on the air too long. Ernest takes care of all of that. And the lady next to him, you certainly recognize that's Misty as opposed to Mr. Dare. And next to T is Cecelia Finney, who is our intern from Loyola University. Loyola College. Loyola College. Right. And Denise, these Frank is also another intern. That's right. And to my immediate right also is Marilyn and Barbara and who also interns with City Line. And I guess we got to do this we we're forced to to make note of the fact that there's a guy back in the control room is our producer but he's also our director which means that that that he's back there now working very hard. And his name is What's his name? Reggie Wright. Reverend Wright is the producer and creative by that city. I think it's clever. He is like this right there. You're not supposed to do that. Very clever. But he's, in fact, there now. HARRIS And missing one member of the family. We're missing Tim Wise. But you just saw him on tape. And unfortunately, he wasn't able to come here, like today. And so now we want to take 2 seconds. We've got 2 seconds left, guys. We will take 2 seconds to give it a quick count. And we're actually going to give you 3 seconds downtown. And we want to say Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all the folks at home. One, two, three. Merry Christmas and happy New Year and happy Kwanzaa as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=3530.28,3623.82"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's with this this week's edition of Sitting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=3624.3,3625.92"}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/transcript/47219/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/047/219/original/open-uri20230807-2955-klp32i?1691449244","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/047/219/original/open-uri20230807-2955-klp32i?1691449244"}]},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/index/84203","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["C.R.A.I.D., 1983-12-18 06-26-2024 21:07 [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/index/84203/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shoppers answer, \"What is your image of The Divine?\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=171.0,294.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/index/84203/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mondawmin Mall","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=171.0,294.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/index/84203/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Guest interview","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666#t=294.0,1657.0"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/103605/file/203666/index/84203/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Iman Ronald Shakir, C.R.A.I.D.; 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