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The guest panel includes George Buntin, from the NAACP; Christopher Brown, President of the ACLU of Maryland; David Harris, who is defending white Maryland State Troopers; Ali-Baba Lumumba, who charges religious discrimination against Greenmount Planning Association; Carlos Edwards, charges discrimination against SSA."]},"provider":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["MARMIA"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["MARMIA"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/053/original/cropped-marmia-logo-copy1.png?1586173104","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/172/788/small/thumbnail_172788_1692278038.jpg?1692278041","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20230817-483-cve9no.mp4"]},"duration":3590.296,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/172/788/small/thumbnail_172788_1692278038.jpg?1692278041","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-marmia.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/172/788/original/open-uri20230817-483-cve9no.mp4?1692276738","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3590.296,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AUTO_TRINT_WJZ-CTYLN-007-016.mp4 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Past grievances is the best documentation. And we have already charged this first land supervisor with unfair work dispute. So you have other cases that you can point to other charges. Exactly. And I have subsequently myself filed a discrimination case of. To take a case to see whether or not there is substance. Well, one of the things groups, a lot of groups such as ACLU, are reluctant to get involved in individual cases, which creates a problem for people who have individual situations. If you're a group with a limited amount of assets, such as the ACLU is, the attempt primarily is to try to get at problems that affect lots of people, not just one individual. And the hope is that then you can do something good for a lot of people rather than one individual. Okay. We just want to reintroduce the fact that here on City Line, we're talking about cases of racial discrimination. We have with six individuals. We have very different but very pertinent situations that they're discussing with us. We're continuing from last week and our discussion on these issues. And we're going to press forward and try to see whether or not there is any sameness to what we're looking at. We were discussing racial discrimination, sex discrimination, What is the same as what is the level ground that ties all these together? Can anyone That's the problem and sameness is a good word. It's really getting insane. The situation is getting a lot worse almost daily. We hope that when Ronald Reagan is going, the attitudes of the nation may change and we can begin to make progress again. But we see more and more cases. We get cases daily of at least ten cases coming to the door almost every day of discrimination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=49.13,168.79"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We get cases from Giant and from other large stores. We get cases to the what we see in Social Security here. You can look at Social Security and see the problem there. There are almost no black males in Social Security. You have a lot of black females, but they're all relegated to lower positions. When you go into upper management, you see very few blacks at all, male or female. You can say the same thing about a lot of the other companies are public accommodations. Chris didn't talk about it, but we are getting cases of public accommodations again. We have a club here in Baltimore that's discriminating against blacks. They charge blacks a $15 cover charge. The they charge whites nothing. There have been cases that have been won at some of the local clubs. And what are you saying then? You're playing this all the way to the doorstep of the White House. You're saying that there was an attitude and an atmosphere created in the can. That's right. That gives credence and whatever to this. You give the sense that we're not going to prosecute, we're not going to bother you, we're going to let it go. And so therefore, people take chances. They're much more willing to take those chances. And then housing. Housing is it discrimination is very insidious. Something very difficult to put your finger on. You will not realize that you've been discriminated against until you do what Chris was talking about and do some testing. And then all of a sudden you thought that you were treated very nicely and very humanely and then you find out that they lie to you all the way through the process. Let me ask you, Chris, how successful has the Justice Department under the Reagan administration been in restricting the ability of organizations such as yours, you know, the ACP and others to pursue cases of racial discrimination? Well, the Justice Department has done very, very little during the last six years to promote racial integration and to discourage discrimination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=169.9,287.41"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fortunately, they have had no real effect, I don't think, on my organization, the ACLU. The effect they do have, though, is they create a certain atmosphere, permissive atmosphere. And it's gotten to the point, I think, this woman's example of her trials and tribulations in court, where to the employer or to an apartment house owner or to a public accommodations, a nightclub owner, it's often they think it'll cost less to fight off people like this and they'll get some benefit. It's a cost effective matter for them to discriminate because by and large they may not get caught and whoever catches them may not have the wisdom and the wherewithal to get a lawyer to document his case, her case, and to be able to take them to the wall. I would like to comment on that also, because another advantage that they have over discrimination victims is the psychological and emotional damage. They know that if they can keep us fighting for ten years, they're going to wear it down. They know that we don't have the money. You know, that's why it's so important for the community to stand up, to stick together, to unify and fight this together. What kind of impact has it had on you emotionally, psychologically, even physically? I think I have been through almost the entire book of Joe. I have I have had sleepless nights. I have been through major surgery. I my family has gotten. Through that. They can tell you more than better than I how I called them 3:00 in the morning. You have nightmares. You dream about Ku Klux Klan, you know, I mean, it's it's unreal. But but on a positive note, the community I have been really proud of, a lot of the people in the community, They have come up to me that have found me and supported me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=288.91,400.8"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I would like to ask that more do so. I would like to ask that we're going to we're going to take a break now. We're going to come back, continue our discussion on cases of discrimination. Continue to call us at forward one 1330. We'll be back in a moment. Welcome back to a special edition of City Line. We're continuing this week with the show begun last week talking about cases of racial discrimination. And as we continue, we're going to find out a little bit more about what happened last week for those who missed out. Right now, I have a gentleman here who might be able to help us get on track with one of the cases when I say I'm sorry. You are. I'm Joe Pruitt. I'm first vice president of the Maryland Trooper's Association. Most of the comments I'd have to refer to our attorney because our cases and litigation in the federal court here in Baltimore. Our basic goal is we're in reverse and to some degree, but we are just seeking fairness at the present time. The Maryland State Police did not have a year, one line to get a validated test, but there is really no rule of thumb. Okay. Thank you. As to how people are promoted in the state police, we were under the consent decree since 1974. We have met those goals. But as our attorney alluded to earlier, we have been told that there will be a a do list in the future and this will continue. We don't want that. We want fairness. We want equal opportunity for everybody. And that's all we want. Let me let me ask you this. And this is assuming that there are black members of the association. What is their attitude? How do they feel about your pursuing this particular issue? I, by and large, would say that they seek the same treatment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=401.4,612.61"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They want to be judged as equals so that they can everybody can work effectively. You have to understand that state police, being a paramilitary organization, we're all equal in that. We wear a brown uniform and everybody just wants to be treated fairly and we abhor any type of discrimination. And our association will help a black trooper as well as white. It's not a color issue, as our attorney said earlier. We want a colorblind system and that's all we want. Okay. Thank you. I have another question here. Yes. First of all, I'd like to thank everybody for the opportunity to be here on City Line. I'd like to say I said I would like them to read Ali, and also that because he had the courage to come forward with his case of discrimination. It kind of gave me a little boost of initiative also. You also had a case. Yes. Tell us about it. Okay. First of all, my name is Hassan Abdu Ali. I am a muslim of the Islamic faith. And that in itself, I feel very strongly is what caused me first to be discriminated against. Back in 1985, I believe it was. I was working for a construction company. I'm not going to call your name here on air. But anyway, in our book called The Holy Koran, we are instructed as Muslims that on Friday, when the call is given to prayer, to leave off work, business and traffic and go to the mosque for congregational Juma prayer, it is clear that that is a dictate and a command from a law, you know, God to. So what happened in terms of your employer in reference to your holy day? I was given permission first. I had only had the job for a short period of time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=613.09,721.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was given permission to take Friday off for Juma prayer. And after attending Juma, upon returning to work, I was told that I was terminated. What did you do about that? I really didn't know what to do at that point. I talked to a few people and they told me to go to work because the Human Relations Commission, it's been about two years now or more. And I just recently well, a letter really caught up with me because I had moved a number of times and it just happened that somebody found the letter with my name on it and was able to deliver it to my prison address. Let me ask both David and Christopher how much will and George, how much religious discrimination are you finding out there as a lawyer? David, How many cases of religious discrimination do you get out? Christopher How many are brought to you? And George, What about to the ACP? Anyone can take that. We don't get too many cases of it, and it seems that we know it exists, but it just doesn't come in our direction too often. Seems that that brother has a case that he really should have pursued. He may have lost his opportunity, though, because of the time constraints required. Or perhaps it would be good if the two of you talked before the show was out. What about you, Chris, in terms of religious discrimination? We've seen some of it at the ACLU, but primarily, I mean, it's much, much secondary to sex discrimination and and race discrimination and sexual preference discrimination. If I could. Make a comment on on the trooper's situation. It's a shame that we don't have someone representing the black troopers here. One of the things comments that I made earlier, and I'm going to repeat it now, is that the Troopers association is the one that's filing this suit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=722.23,837.27"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's strange that when blacks are having problems on the job, racial problems, we cannot get professional associations and unions to stick up for those employees. But now, when the situation seems to be reversed, now we see the professional association coming out and fighting the case. And I would would I? While I'm not familiar with what's going on with the troopers, I just don't buy the statement that was made that all of the consent decrees have been satisfied. Steve Sax said a couple of years ago that the Maryland State troopers discriminatory policies were indefensible. Okay. We'll give you a moment right now to respond to it. Well, unfortunately, George, you're accepting gays as a fact evidence that's not into before the jury what happened several years ago. And if you no doubt I was one of the first to say that there was discrimination in the Maryland State Police, that I can tell you without fear of contradiction, has been satisfied that consent decree, that consent decree only concern to the rank of corporal. We're concerned with promotions from the bottom to the very top. We have attempted to have the coalition of Black Troopers form a separate and distinct lodge within our umbrella group. They, on their own have refused. We would have brought forth their discrimination had they come to us. They refused to do that. They went on their own, brought their own organization into being, which frankly, I think is divisive when you're dealing with a family such as the Maryland State Police. So I don't think we're guilty of the criticism that you've laid against. But what would you consider or what would you suppose would be the reasons that they felt that your organization was not going to pursue their interests? Well, I was told and I've I spoke as late as last week with the president of the coalition in an effort to try to work together and have a melding of the two personalities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=838.89,961.83"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would think that that was counseling on a national basis. We were told that the reason they could not come in and under our umbrella, though they individually do belong to the Maryland Troopers Association was that it was contrary to the edicts of their national association. Well, we can't be responsible for some national organization, but as far as representing the individuals, our coffers and our abilities that are there for them, just as it is for anyone else. Okay, let's take another call. Hi, caller. You're on City Line. Yes, ma'am. Yes, I have a I want to tell I want to tell them that filing with EEOC sometimes is is not only way because Reagan has stripped EEOC of so many of their power that they can't investigate the case thoroughly the way it should be, you know, done. Now, I had a case filed with EEOC. They could find nothing wrong, but I was smart enough that I could feel that they didn't do the job that they were supposed to be doing. I found that the company I worked for had gotten contracts and sued with the U.S. Department of Labor. They come in to the plant and do it. They they go to payroll. They go to bed with two days. They talk up an employee's the whole nine yards. And after six years, I finally won my case. They found everything that I said to be absolutely true. And they awarded me. They I just got it in the mail this this week. I was awarded about $8,000 with two years back pay. And I'm suing them and in our federal court for the same charges as for mental stress and so forth, because it was a far these charges, my salaries dropped like $10,000 a year for the last couple of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=963.69,1079.97"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now they only want to give me like $10,000 in punitive damages, which is stupid because, I mean, I've lost much more than that. Tired of fighting and the money that they've taken from each of the filing cards. And what I would like to know is who I have a private attorney. But I would like to say that this thing is so widespread. There must be organizations somewhere that advise people on these kind of cases. Let's see if we can find out. Can we would it be possible to get some kind of general outline of how to pursue a case of discrimination? I mean, can you help us with where do you go first? And if they refuse, where do you go now? It's that kind of thing. Oh, me? No, no. We know you had the experience. Yes, that's okay. In my particular agency, working for the federal government, you have access to these to these organizations pretty easily. You can contact a EEO counselor right off the bat, and they will assign you a representative that may not be the one you always you want, but they will assign you one. And now the EEO counselor will do the investigation. But up until very recently, I was under the assumption that the EEO counselor was your rep. And you can also obtain a representative to to ensure that the council is going to do what they're supposed to do because the EEO counselor works for the agency. Now, the representative in my particular agency is the best place to go and is the union. You can get a union Stewart to represent you. Okay, now you get the rep, they do the investigation, then they will have you sign a form to and tell you what their findings were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1080.72,1185.9"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then you can go formal and to go formal with your case, it will be transferred in our situation to Washington, D.C. and you just have to wait after that in an answer to the same question. Yeah, let me just address two kinds of discrimination, because I think there are real remedies for those two kinds, and it's difficult to find a remedy for the other. With respect to housing discrimination, which is rampant and also with respect to public accommodations discrimination, there are two groups in the Baltimore metropolitan area that can be very helpful. Baltimore Neighborhoods Inc is one group and I'm on their board and they bring a lot of lawsuits against all entities discriminating in those fashions. And secondly, the ACLU is trying to seek to get private attorneys to work with it to handle cases such as this. And we're doing so here in the Baltimore area and to a greater and greater degree over on the Eastern shore, where if you think things are bad here, you ought to take a trip across the bay. And, George, let me ask you, the NAACP is basically or an advocate for those who have cases. They don't you don't offer counsel, a legal counsel and so forth. And in very rare cases, we do. For example, the caller that spoke about the Conrail case there, we worked with them and counsel is being provided by the national ACP. That case, if it's won, will be a landmark case that will open doors for many. And that's what we look for are the landmark types of cases. We have individuals that come in, we try to provide them with advice. We also try to rebut, refer them to agencies that will help them. EEOC There are a lot of problems with EEOC in the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1186.08,1290.15"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We normally start out with the Community Relations Commission, which normally does the best job, by and large of all of the equal rights organizations in the state of Maryland. We have the Human Relations Commission, which is overloaded currently, but they still take cases. And then you've got EEOC as a last resort. Federal employees are in trouble because they just don't have anything but in-house. Okay. Right now, we've got to take a break, but we're going to come back and continue with our discussion. So please stay with us. Now, here's this week's community calendar. Hello, my name is Bridget Nash, The Baltimore, Maryland Alumnae chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc., invites you to join us for the return of the Java Walk on Friday, April 3rd, at 7:30 p.m. in the auditorium of Robert's high school. Alice in Wonderland. Big Bird and the Cabbage Patch Dolls will come to life as we feature skits, dancing, musical acts and local high school and college groups. Also, the crowning of Miss Jabberwocky will take place. The public is welcome to attend. For tickets and further information, please call 4358986. If your group or organization would like to announce an event. Please write us in care of City Line. WJC tbe Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland. 21211 or call us for further information at 4660013 between the hours of nine and five. So welcome back to City Line. We're talking about cases of discrimination. And to quickly, we introduce you to the members of our panelists here at Home Base. Jeanette Towns is a former employer of Giant Foods. She's currently in litigation on a racial discrimination case. Mr. Ali Baba Lumumba is currently has left a job upon which he was religiously discriminated against. David Harris is an attorney representing the Maryland State Troopers Association.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1290.54,1559.29"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carlos Edwards, a employee of the Seychelles Social Security Administration, is also involved in a racial discrimination case. Christopher Brown is a representative of the American Civil Liberties Union here in Maryland. And of course, George Button, president of the NAACP. Right now, I think Jackie has a question from one of our audience members. You know, in fact, it's someone who somewhat has the same feeling that Jeanette has in reference to her position at Giant or the former physician. You are a former worker of Giant Foods, is that correct? Yes, I am. That is a situation that you have. Real quick, I just want to say it was the most humiliating experience I've ever had in my life. I worked for several companies and I've never seen discrimination so thick as it was a giant, basically. I want to also comment on the cash thing that Jeanette mentioned earlier. It is true you are at the mercy of the office person as far as whether or not your pan will come out right or wrong. And I've seen I've witnessed where I worked in the office and I witnessed where they fixed the pain for different people, depending on your color or whether you like it or not. My experience was was very similar to Jeanette. I was in the management program for two years and I had an outstanding record. All of a sudden I was told that I'm not smiling as much as I used to. My spirit is low. They couldn't find anything or to pinpoint me because my record was so good. So they started trying to tear me down emotionally. And it got to the point where I decided to leave before they set me up. And that was the next step that I anticipated that they were going to set me up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1560.28,1645.51"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you deliberately decided not to fight it? I decided not to fight it because of emotional reasons. I was so humiliated, so emotionally stressed out that I didn't think I had anything left to fight. And my health was more important than before. I let it get to that point, I resigned. I just I just resigned. And I'm really proud to see somebody like Jeanette is fighting, and that's why I'm here to support her today. Thank you for that. Yes. Yes. I would like to respond to that. As I said, several people in the community have sought me out and people like Kern has been very inspirational to me. I need a lot of support. I would like to give a number that people can call, which is 5326275. That's Mrs. Murtaugh. She's my lead attorney. And because we need the victims of discrimination, we need to stick together. As you've already heard, the litigation, the years of fighting, we need to go back to direct action again. Let me ask you about union support. What kind of support are you getting from your unions that are supposed to represent you and your interests? Well, that's that's so sad. It's funny. The union I had two union representatives go into a grievance meeting with me against it. Once I was terminated, the union said that John Food had not followed the procedure in terminating me and on those grounds alone, that I should be reinstated. Giant intern said that those procedures had been changed and they would see that the union would get a copy of that. I thought that was ridiculous. The union then told me that they couldn't handle discrimination, but when it gets to court subpoenas and we'll be there, we should point out that both the giant foods, the former employer, Mr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1645.93,1765.53"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lumumba, Social Security Administration, all these companies and organizations were contacted, offered an opportunity to appear on the show, to respond by telephone, to send a representative, and they declined. However, we do have letters admitted by giant food, and I'd like to be that to you is directed towards our producer, Dear Mr. Winburn. I'm writing in response to your telephone call today, advising us that Ms.. Jeannette Townes will be appearing on the City Line program on your station this Sunday. Our company has had a long standing practice of declining to litigate disputes in the media. Instead, we have sought to cooperate with administrative agencies and courts where legal cases are pending. We have fully investigated the facts and circumstances of Ms. Towns employment with our company and have concluded that her termination is supported by just cause really, truly yours. David Brustein, who is senior vice president of Giant Foods. Okay. In fact, we have another letter too, and it's from the former employer of Mr. Ali Baba Lumumba, and it's from the Greenmount West Community Planning Association. And it's a very long letter. I'm just going to read just snatches of it. It's from Donald Jackson, president, chairman of the board, where he says, We are committed to providing social and community organization services, as well as planning and overseeing new development for the Greenmount West community. And the services we render are available for all residents. The staff we employ are required to adhere to the policies and procedures as set forth in our written manual. Any action taken regarding our employees are done in full compliance with these personnel policies. I do hope that this will clarify the Board of Directors position and I appreciate the time taken to review our message. So we do want to say that no one representing these companies accepted our invitation to appear in our studio, but instead they sent letters to Ali Baba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1766.46,1878.12"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have not talked to you in quite a while. What are your feelings now and what will you do now to seek litigation? Where will you go from here or at this point? My concern is in the Greenmount West area that the residents of the green mountainous areas should become more actively involved in a community association. For the past year, the board of directors have been more or less acting as the community and not a representation of the community. And we need more people to come out and participate and make the changes that need to be made in the Greenmount West area. What about you personally? What are you going to do? Personally, I'm a work on this, you know, on this endeavor and try to work with other people in, you know, the realm of discrimination to try to eliminate the discrimination that's going on. Have you? I saw it and I got new employment. New employment now. Okay. We're going to take a another call from home now. Hello, your live on City Line. Yes, go ahead, please. Yes, I was sexually discriminated against and this was my home in France. And I came it didn't take as long as I hear that the people here I have in a very long time. It didn't take that long. And I suppose that people opted to fight the case. And my sense was that I was pregnant and could not start at that particular time, even though I was tested with the ability to work. But. I was just I had to beg for a quarter stop and I had to be the same week. And I was given the runaround for about three months after I was able to go back to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1878.39,1987.88"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was given the runaround. So finally I decided that I would go to sleep to see that where I stayed and I had a sexual discrimination case because the rest of the queer relations explained to me that man could not come forward. It would never happen to him. So therefore, I had a legitimate case. So you got your job back? Well, I had not actually started the job. It was just I was appointed to start. But at first I won the case, and this was in December of 1985 that actually got papers in the mail that I had this feeling that I had won the case and that I would be appointed another position as soon as there was one available. Okay. Thank you so much for that call. Let me ask you, David, I know recently the Supreme Court ruled on, I guess, benefits accorded women who go out on pregnancy or whatever. Give us an update on that just so that we are clear in terms of what our audience and all of us know at this time. Well, I don't think a person can be discriminated against because they're a female where they're going to have a child. The problem comes whether the company has a policy where a man gets hurt and obviously he can't take off because he doesn't get pregnant. So it's it's very difficult at best being being a woman in the workforce. Most of the discrimination cases, of course, involve something other than the pregnancy factor. But we've had to take a break right now. But we're going to continue with our discussion. So please stay with us. We'll be right back. Okay. We're back for our final segment on cases of discrimination here on City Line.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=1989.86,2213.86"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we have someone in the audience who works for what department here? I work in the criminal section of the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice. And the only comment that I want to make is in reference to the comment that both Mr. Blanton and Mr. Christopher made with regard to the Department of Justice spirit in pursuing these type cases. And I think that you have to take into consideration that we get thousands of letters from people every day. And I think the Department is actively pursuing these cases. So you don't think that the administration has in any way put a pall over civil rights in the country there? I think they have. But the number of cases that we come in and the limited amount of employees that are there and able to service these complaints is a matter that should be considered. Thank you for that comment, Betty. Yeah, we have a question right here. This gentleman. Yes, my name is Roy Fisher. I'm a friend of Jennette Towns. We hold a bond together because not only a johns, we share the herd. They still exist today. As far as discrimination. I was involved with a case that my time caught. I didn't punch this particular day and my time card was written in by the assistant manager. It was then corrected to the time that I stated that I had come in. The gas stayed. There was another guy who stated that I had come in and another time he had stated three different times. I then was terminated for falsifying time. I received support from George Button who stated to talk to Marilyn human relation and they are investigating the case. The matter is currently under investigation. You intend to pursue it any further until the utmost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=2214.16,2315.32"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Till I can't stop fighting any longer. I know it seems a little bit like we're nailing a giant food. George, give us a sense of how other large businesses are. Is this something that is specific to Giant or are they doing it any more than anybody else, though? I don't think it is. As a matter of fact, I have sensed and I'll be careful when I say this, I sense the giant is much more willing than most to deal with their problems, but it's across the board from just about every company. I mean, the complaints we get are from all over the place. And of course, of course, you've you've already mentioned how they seem to be increasing in public accommodation and housing and so forth. Let's take another call from home. Hi, caller. You're on City Line. Yes. My question is to the people who are fighting discrimination, could they be using discrimination as a justification for their own failures? Jeanette Barber I would like to respond to that. When this if Giant had attacked me on any other level, then then my mathematical skills there would have been a big chance of me giving this up because this fight is not something that one does for enjoyment. This has been hard on me. This has had this has made me a target. It has. It's been stressful. No, no. This is not justification of my failure. I know that I have a high aptitude in mathematics. I know that I can count. And I don't believe if anyone does come up and falsify discrimination, I think they really have a serious problem, because this is a hard battle. It's a hard battle to fight this. Ali Baba, if I could just follow up on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=2315.84,2432.84"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is another factor there. Even when there is a personal weakness, blacks seem to get fired when whites seem to get suspended or transferred. So that in and of itself is discrimination. Even when the individual employee may have been wrong, it's how that employee was treated versus another employee who was guilty of the same infraction. Okay, It's all about it. To respond to the same question is it's very easy to say that I'm not using discrimination just for my inadequacies. I'll be very foolish to sit here and say that I am. But all I want out of this is that my former employees be able to talk to me. Similar to what Mr. Button is saying that I received, I have no nothing in my record at all. I received my first written reprimand with a 30 day probation. At the same time doing these 30 days, I have written the board for request to hear the hearing to see what the problems were. They refuse to talk to me at the end of the 30 days. They terminate me and still refuse to talk to me. You know, all I want is my case to be heard. No, of course, Mr. Lumumba indicated before that because the size of the organization he was with. There are certain agencies that were not able or willing to pursue his case. What are the standards? You know, the rule of thumb that one can go by in terms of being able to get assistance? Well, generally speaking, you have to the employer has to have 15 or more employees before the federal mechanisms will kick in. There are civil rights laws, however, which govern people against discrimination regardless of how many employees. But then you can't use EEOC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=2433.22,2547.18"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're going to have to use a private attorney. And that's where things get expensive. And we're pretty much at the end of this discussion has been very good. And of course, a lot of points have been raised. And as we go out. Let's let's each give each of you an opportunity to say final words. I know. Carlos, you wanted to say something about your union because you don't want to leave here without having indicated that they are indeed supporting you. Exactly. To be on this show, I was contacted by the union and I was, I guess, a perfect case because I'm not only speaking for the union as a representative, I'm also being discriminated against as an employee. And the union has full support behind everyone who files any kind of action. And all you have to do is come down and see us and we will do the best job that we can. Okay. Let's talk now about where you go from here. What's the next step for each of you? Let's start with you, Jeanette. Well, my next step by step has been to try to organize the community. I want to get into direct protests. That's the only way. That's the only language that companies like die for can understand. We have to hit them in the in the pocket. So an economic boycott. I want everyone. Black, white, male, female, every citizen that believes injustice, boycott, food, stop shopping, make. Let's remember. Where do you go from here? From here? I'm just going out into the Greenmount West community, encouraging the people also to get involved, because this is a community organization that's supposed to represent them and to for the betterment of the Greenmount West, which nothing is happening in three years because you have the same people sitting on the board year after year and there's no improvement, no change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=2547.87,2663.03"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the people need to come out and start voicing their opinions for change in their community and stop sitting back and not doing anything. They need to come out and start banding together against injustice. Like I said, I am the third director and I sit on the board and watch the same people terminate two people prior to me basically on prejudice. And you know, it was mentioned before, this is an all black board and they are prejudice among themselves. They won't even help themselves. They just drew on themselves. They want to see equal opportunity, of course, for people not to speak. But outside of that, that's that's all we're looking for. Okay, Carlos. Yeah. I think all the federal employees, regardless of your race, color or creed, should just band together and try to fight the situation as a whole, because we have we have sexual discrimination, age discrimination, handicapped discrimination, all going on. And it takes everyone as one coalition, one unit to fight it. And former Congressman Parren Mitchell just recently released a report that indicated that there were very few black men in upper level administration at SSA. Exactly. I'm I'm listed as an endangered species. And it's just it's just ironic that, you know, they will look at you even when your case does go out a little bit further and tell you that, you know, you haven't been discriminated against. Chris Suppose someone files a suit, whether it's with you or the NAACP or goes through private litigation, are they going to be blacklisted? Will they have a problem getting new employment? What lies ahead for winter? Well, that's undoubtedly a problem. That's one of the prices you may have to pay. I like Jeannette's idea of a few moments ago, she says.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=2663.48,2769.47"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you can make it unprofitable for the discriminating agent to do it, that's when they'll stop. And I think a lot of this is dollars and cents and I think in many cases, if you can hit them hard enough with a significant enough money judgment or with consumer pressure, as Jeanette is talking about, that's when they'll start listening. They know the color green quite well and don't discriminate. Just let me ask you to to expound on on your statements earlier and perhaps explain a little bit more. Do you truly feel that there will not be any more significant progress under the current administration? And secondly, do you feel that any administration is going to effectively deal with the type of discrimination we're talking about? Effective is relative. This administration has not been kind. We do look for improvement on almost any administration that will replace this administration. I agree. We do have to go the economic route before we are prepared to call a boycott against Giant. However, we will finish our negotiations and hope that we come up with an acceptable plan. And if we do, then we will be the first to promote China. And but we're talking with a lot of major employers. It's not simply trying to address each individual case, but it's trying to talk to the employers themselves and getting them to put new policies into place before these problems come up. Okay. We'd like to thank each and every one of you today for being with us. Jeanette Townes Ali Baba Lumumba, David Harris, Carlos Edwards, Christopher Brown and George Bunting. You've just indicated from this discussion and the one we had last week as well is that discrimination is alive and well in the land. Thank you for coming to air the issues with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=2769.71,2879.69"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Come back to. Please stay with. He will not go through and I'll be. Really? You know I'm going to be. Hi, I'm Harold Anthony. The emergence of Club Nouveau signals one of the most exciting, innovative and purely entertaining new trends in today's music. Young artists committed to doing their music their way by taking on pop music, by storm setting trends and breaking tradition with a sound key to the streets. It's music that's proving itself on radio playlists and record sales charts across the country, a sound that's destined to shape the songs of tomorrow. Jay King, the founder and creative force of Club Nouveau, has always been ahead of his time. J. King began his career as a concert promoter and went on to perform as a dancer with the group J. King and the Unknowns, as well as earn a name for himself as a sizzling rap artist. But as it was as the producer of a little known San Francisco Bay Area group called Timex Social Club, that King came into his own in 1985 with King at the helm, the group recorded a song called Rumors, which went on to make music history by becoming one of the most successful independently released records in years. But rumors was only the beginning. The tunes over the top popularity prompted King to expand his musical vision, and in early 1986, he began assembling the components of a brand new band After contacting a few long time friends who are all accomplished musicians, Jay dubbed the Ensemble Club Nouveau. Their first effort, called Jealousy, was an impressive debut indeed, and was responsible for making Club Nouveau one of the most impressive new arrivals of the year. And to show you that Club Nouveau is definitely here to stay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=2881.57,3075.56"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here they are with Lean On Me. You know. And we think we all know. Well. No, no. This thing will land on me. Will not. So. Then I'll be your. Okay. Jerry. You know, I'm going to need somebody to me, you know? Well, if you need to go through. No one can film. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Man will not show it. I'll be straight. For, you know, to land on Monday or Tuesday. Just call me brother when you need hand. We all need somebody to lean on. I just might have a problem that you understand. We all need somebody to lean on me. I'm strong. Sure. Jandali survived to. It will be a drama. We've been. We be. We've been jamming. Just when you need a friend. When you need a friend. I went to meet a friend. Yeah, we beat, gentlemen. Setting the musical pace for the eighties, there was Club Nouveau with Lean on Me. Now, if you're currently planning your activity Scout calendar, then you'll want to plan on being present. When the Student Government Association of Morgan State University presents its 12th annual talent show on Friday, April ten, at 7 p.m. in the Murphy Auditorium. Our own Morgan State alumni, Betty Bentley, will be acting as a judge, as singers, dancers, comedians and performers of all kinds showcase their talents. Tickets are $2 for students with proper I.D. and $5 general admission. For more information, call four, four, four, three, four, five, four. And before I leave you, I want to remind you that if your group, organization or place of business is planning an entertainment event, be sure to get some free airtime. You simply write to me at least three weeks in advance. Care of Cityline.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788#t=3076.01,3359.3"},{"id":"https://marmia.aviaryplatform.com/collections/948/collection_resources/84444/file/172788/transcript/47232/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WJC TV Television Hill, Baltimore, Maryland to 1 to 1 What? And that just about does it for this edition of the entertainment page. I'm Harold Anthony, hoping that I'll see you all here next week. Welcome back. This concludes our show for today. Certainly interesting when I think Yeah. And I guess one that we'll have to follow periodically because the struggle is not over. Yeah, it goes on. Next week we'll be talking to some of some of Baltimore's best beauties. There are contestants in the Baltimore's best contest. And we'll also talk with some of the past winners. Not only that, we will say farewell to our friends and family member team Hunter, who takes a new job as friends. If you'd like to be in the studio, call us at one 1313. We'll see you next week. I'm Betty. I'm Jacqui Hall. 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